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To think working class shows?

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MrsBonnie · 23/10/2022 21:00

I work in a lovely school where they’ve all had very different upbringings to me. Very much working class here. Sometimes I think it shows with little things I’ve noticed.

Having sugar in tea, using a tumble drier, not having a cleaner, using the wrong glasses for different drinks (I.E using the same one for everything!)… what else am I missing that excludes me from the club 😂 sometimes I will mention something like the above and get “oh I never use a tumble drier” … then I just think oops have I said something weird there?

Sometimes I think they’re judging me with things I say and do but I hope not! I grew up being homeless at a certain point, council houses, single teen (but amazing) mum, a very specific type of circle. I feel like Mum did everything she could to get us out of that way of life, but I can’t help but feel I don’t belong sometimes. Or that I stick out like a sore thumb. Am I being daft? Imposter syndrome a little bit!

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Anon778833 · 27/10/2022 12:10

GarlandsinGreece · 27/10/2022 00:24

How funny. I’m English but have lived in the US for twenty years. The only people who line dry clothes are dirt poor and live in the rural South.

I think some states have good reason for not line drying. Doesn’t California have a lot of smog?

HellomynameisInigoMontoya · 27/10/2022 12:15

myfaceismyown · 26/10/2022 22:53

Of course you can change class and will do so automatically depending on your education whether you like it or not!
I'm probably a lot older than many of you. Not retirement age yet, but heading that way in 7 or 8 years...
I was brought up by post WWII parents to believe that working class equals manual labourers and includes those who have never managed to attain work placement due to education. We need the working classes and should not try to force someone who is really gifted at plastering, wiring, plumbing, farming to be academic - its just wrong!
Lower middle class equals educated to degree level in a low grade of employment. I think these people might suffer the most financially, but our society would fall apart without them. This includes nurses.
Middle middle, doctors, solicitors, teachers, lawyers and small business owners
Upper middle as the last 2 but with inheritance/wealth and possibly generational UM ancestry, privately educated
Upper class, royal connections or inherited titles rich or poor is immaterial.
There is a BIG thing to remember here. Before the 1860s we only had upper class and then everyone else. There was no such thing as middle class or any distinction. It is a Victorian invention. I spent far too much time tracing my family tree. My working class ancestors were land managers, tutors, milliners, laundry owners.Even a fish smoker and an umbrella manufacturer! All were working class regardless of accomplishment pre 1860.
Why am I saying all this? Because IT DOES NOT MATTER! We all have an important role to play and whether you use the "right" glass or put 13 sugars in your tea is nothing to what we should be doing, which is appreciating each other.

What about farmers who own hundreds of acres of land? Are they still working class?

myfaceismyown · 27/10/2022 12:36

@HellomynameisInigoMontoya they are business owners so middle class. Farm labourers would be working class, also known as blue collar workers. Please don't think I am an expert in the class system! It's just what my parents taught me.

HellomynameisInigoMontoya · 27/10/2022 12:54

@myfaceismyown That's fair enough 👍

Cam22 · 27/10/2022 13:40

GarlandsinGreece · 27/10/2022 00:24

How funny. I’m English but have lived in the US for twenty years. The only people who line dry clothes are dirt poor and live in the rural South.

Dirt poor? What a way to refer to people. You seem to have picked up some unpleasant American habits.

GarlandsinGreece · 27/10/2022 13:41

@cam22 I grew up dirt poor. It’s a fairly innocuous turn of phrase.

ladygindiva · 27/10/2022 13:51

This thread is funny. I went to private school, read the guardian and play piano. ( Classical). However I now have sky TV, eat dinner Infront of the telly many nights and have been known to drink red wine out of a mug.

the80sweregreat · 27/10/2022 13:59

ladygindiva · 27/10/2022 13:51

This thread is funny. I went to private school, read the guardian and play piano. ( Classical). However I now have sky TV, eat dinner Infront of the telly many nights and have been known to drink red wine out of a mug.

Good for you ! 😂
But never drink wine out of a mug ever again.!
Spoils the taste of it !

Sennelier1 · 27/10/2022 14:40

In Belgium most people have a tumbledryer, nothing to do with where you came from. It was longtimes considered a luxury. My mum had one very early on and her friends came over to look at it 🤦🏼‍♀️ I held off untill I became desperate one rainy summer I didn't manage to dry my two small children's clothes. It's just practical in our rainy climate to get the linen dry in time even if you live in a place too small to hang the laundry inside/without a garden. Nowadays I only use the tumbler for towels and my grandchildren's PJ's etc., it makes them softer (I don't use fabricsoftener). I really like airdried bedsheets, other linens and clothes. And now, with the rise in energy prices, I'm not the only one to hang instead of tumble. But social class? We perceive differences mostly in the way of speeking, the choice of clothes, cooking-and eating habits. So absolutely not in the use of regular household appliances 🤣

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 14:44

teathyme · 27/10/2022 11:54

Could someone tell me about the different glasses please? Tumblers for water, but what are the other distinctions please?

No, Hi-balls for water, or you could use a white wine glass, smaller wine glasses for red wine, tumblers for shorts so you can add ice/mixer, shot glasses for shots and sherry glasses/port glasses for what is says on the tin.

teathyme · 27/10/2022 14:56

@TheSnootiestFox thanks for that, very helpful.

TheBulletThatMissed · 27/10/2022 15:29

GertrudeOHara · 27/10/2022 11:19

Someone should have told HMQ she was doing it all wrong!

It’s just the Queen knew how to have a good time and what mattered in life, rather than idiotic pretentiousness.

antelopevalley · 27/10/2022 18:50

Except the Queen still wanted everyone to curtsey to her

OohMrBingley · 27/10/2022 19:32

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 14:44

No, Hi-balls for water, or you could use a white wine glass, smaller wine glasses for red wine, tumblers for shorts so you can add ice/mixer, shot glasses for shots and sherry glasses/port glasses for what is says on the tin.

Red wine goes in larger wine glass than white wine.

Pregnancyfood · 27/10/2022 19:50

TheBulletThatMissed · 27/10/2022 15:29

It’s just the Queen knew how to have a good time and what mattered in life, rather than idiotic pretentiousness.

Yes, her low key and low cost funeral was anything but pretentious.

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 22:57

OohMrBingley · 27/10/2022 19:32

Red wine goes in larger wine glass than white wine.

No it doesn't. I shall find my Lillcrap and Cousins later to prove it 😁

the80sweregreat · 28/10/2022 07:38

After a bottle of wine , you don't tend to care which glass it goes in

Blaggertyjibbet · 28/10/2022 07:45

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 22:57

No it doesn't. I shall find my Lillcrap and Cousins later to prove it 😁

Sorry, but @OohMrBingley is right. Red uses a bigger bowl. Red wines are generally more full bodied, and the bigger bowl helps them to open up and breathe.

If you disagree, have a quick google.

Unicorn1919 · 28/10/2022 07:58

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 22:57

No it doesn't. I shall find my Lillcrap and Cousins later to prove it 😁

Red wine glasses are usually larger than white wine glasses but there is a lot more to it than just size if you want to get really technical.
christnersprimesteakandlobster.com/which-glass-for-which-wine-wine-glass-guide/

To think working class shows?
OohMrBingley · 28/10/2022 08:27

TheSnootiestFox · 27/10/2022 22:57

No it doesn't. I shall find my Lillcrap and Cousins later to prove it 😁

Sorry - red is bigger that white. Go into any restaurant, for an easy way to find out.

Tulipomania · 28/10/2022 08:30

Hi-ball glass is not a term which I have ever heard used? In US maybe

White wine is usually served in a slimmer glass, red wine in a more rounded one.

Champagne in a flute, never a bowl shape (considered very naff, as it gives flat faster)

However in this household we use basic generic wine glasses for everything, which fit in the dishwasher.

Tulipomania · 28/10/2022 08:35

The other difference between red and wine glasses, if you care about these things (and I really don't) is that you should not fill a red wine glass to the brim, only about halfway - so that it can breathe properly. White wine/champagne glasses are usually filled to the top.

NamelessNancy · 28/10/2022 09:29

Never heard of tumble dryers as being a class marker. Is it a regional thing? I line dry when I can but can honestly say where I live (one of the wetter areas of Scotland) it would be impossible to line dry for large parts of the year as it rains so frequently and when not raining the air is not dry enough. Hanging indoors in this environment just makes the inside of the house damp however large and airy. Households without dryers would only be those who cannot afford to buy or run them or had no space. My mind had been blown by this!

evilharpy · 28/10/2022 09:44

NamelessNancy · 28/10/2022 09:29

Never heard of tumble dryers as being a class marker. Is it a regional thing? I line dry when I can but can honestly say where I live (one of the wetter areas of Scotland) it would be impossible to line dry for large parts of the year as it rains so frequently and when not raining the air is not dry enough. Hanging indoors in this environment just makes the inside of the house damp however large and airy. Households without dryers would only be those who cannot afford to buy or run them or had no space. My mind had been blown by this!

I agree - I live in Ireland. I can't remember the last time we had a full day with no rain at all - probably not for a couple of weeks at least. We didn't have a dryer when I was growing up and I remember my mum spending half her life running in and out, hanging washing out, bringing washing in, hanging it back out again etc. It was a full time job. I don't know anyone here who could afford to buy and run a dryer but doesn't have and use one.

OohMrBingley · 28/10/2022 10:14

Hmm, I wouldn’t fill either red or white wine beyond the half way point.

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