To think it's not normal for over 35% of teachers to have cried at work this term?

[Postapocalypticcowgirl]

Whenever we talk about teacher working conditions, teacher strikes etc on here people always point out that lots of others have really stressful jobs. But this can't be normal in any job, surely? It's not even people who've cried about work- just people who've cried at work.

I think this is really indicative of the stress a lot of teachers are under, and the real reason a strike is on the cards. But it's hard to strike about workload/stress/behaviour/parental and SLT expectations- whereas striking over pay is legally straightforward.

Then maybe they should stop posting on behalf of teaching.

Because posters will twist their words to ridiculous ends?

No one twisted anything

Can't we just take it that lots of people working in frontline services are feeling extremely stressed and at breaking point and that there is a massive ripple effect on each other?

This teachers have it harder than nurses who have it harder than SW helps no-one. Every profession is struggling, this 'we have it so much worse' helps no-one.

No one twisted anything

Keep telling yourself that, other people aren't buying it.

I'm not selling anything

If teachers want to continue to deny they are perceived the way are for a reason its no skin off my nose.

The poll at the top is large majority supportive. Unlike the thread and the narrative peddled by some.

The article I posted is from The Metro so the non teaching media seems concerned enough.

People can be supportive of teachers AND acknowledge the difficulties others are facing at the same time.

Just a thought top, if all teachers kept demurely quiet, how would anyone know anything was wrong? Or is the point that you don't want to know?

The Teacher Tapp poll is a poll by educationalists for educationalists. The OP shared it more widely because she believes it merits wider discussion. I am totally up for a discussion about working conditions for others if someone else wants to find a poll.

@Piggywaspushed

I havent suggested teachers should stay quiet?

They shouldn't.

They should absolutely be complaining loudly about the systemic issues that are failing children. I support teachers striking.

They can do that without comparing to other jobs and saying no other role os facing similar issues.

Or maybe they can't?

The op invited further discussion by saying it cant be normal for other roles to be cryong asuch as the teachers in the poll.

Seems like an odd thing to suggest if you just want a discussion for teachers about how awful the job is.

This is a NHS survey, though was pre-covid, I imagine figures will be a lot higher now.

www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/stress-and-abuse-remain-high-among-nhs-nurses-reveals-survey-18-02-2020/

At that time 44% of nurses reported feeling unwell due to stress.

Maybe the professions could support each other rather than arguing about who has it the shittiest. (Clue: we all do)

I'm not a nurse either.

There's a Facebook group set up a couple of years ago to support teachers looking to exit the classroom. It now has 96k members ( out of approx 600k teachers in the UK?). I'm pretty sure membership has increased by 2 or 3k since September. I think the founder was recently interviewed on BBC radio.
This may be a problem in other workplaces too but it's certainly a problem! 😬 I'm a teacher and put my all into it (basically "for the kids") but in reality I'm feeling more disillusioned since Covid- it's definitely made things harder.

Sorry, just checked. It's 98k!

Yes, you see I find that sad and distressing.

I also see that other professions - and not just teachers - survey staff to see how hey are and then discuss the findings. Perfectly normal thing to do.

Btw, that survey was previously shared on MN. Posters started slagging off nurses. Plus ca change.

Yes but they don't then say but look no one else is as bad!

The OP didn't want the discussion to be just for teachers. She wanted to highlight the issue to a wider audience. Nothing wrong with that.

I think it is probably a finding in many roles (for example the NHS and many public facing roles) - others have shown that. But it definitely will not be common in lots of workplaces. This shows things need fixing quite urgently and that is why surveys are needed.

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Who?

In the nurses thread that's exactly what posters did say.

I'll have to take your word for it.

I think there are one - maybe two -posters on here who have a tendency to do what you say top but most aren't.

Seems everyone is a loser in this.

Can we not just all say that lots of people have it shit at the moment? Trying to prove who has it is the most worst isn't achieving anything.

Working with people sucks, people suck. Animals aren't great either. Lighthouse keeper or train signal person seems to be the way to go.

What I mean top is people inferred tis so a poster said 'the NHS is on its knees', ''I cry every day' and tis was immediately followed by 'do you no think I also cry in my <insert job here>?' . It's not just nurses, you know blah blah.

Perhaps it's just natural competitiveness.

Oh gosh, until you cause a train crash.... terrifying job.

Oh right.

Yeah that wasn't really what meant.

I meant the tendency of some teachers to imply they are unique in their struggles.

It probably is a defensive thing from all the you barely work comments but as you say it just leads to competition which isn't helpful but is hard to resist as people are naturally going to get their backs up