To think it's not normal for over 35% of teachers to have cried at work this term?

[Postapocalypticcowgirl]

Whenever we talk about teacher working conditions, teacher strikes etc on here people always point out that lots of others have really stressful jobs. But this can't be normal in any job, surely? It's not even people who've cried about work- just people who've cried at work.

I think this is really indicative of the stress a lot of teachers are under, and the real reason a strike is on the cards. But it's hard to strike about workload/stress/behaviour/parental and SLT expectations- whereas striking over pay is legally straightforward.

Once again posters resort to derailing a thread by calling covid,

To quote another poster

"Oh for gods sake"
"🤣🤣"

Its the same bullshit bingo every time.

I do think this is the same in many jobs though however I imagine adding the child aspect into a role can also add a whole new level of emotion which makes it draining at times.

All I have seen all over FB this last couple of days though are posts saying things like 'teaching is the only job you work before you start work and after and in holidays'. I think it is extremely short sighted to believe this is the case and makes people feel less sympathy for teachers. Most professional jobs are the same. I can't remember the last time I had more than a couple of days off without having to check emails or log onto work laptop. I regularly work over 12 hrs a day, sometimes more and at weekends. Most people have 4 or 5 weeks leave only (obv teachers don't get paid in the same way for all holidays only for the 5.6 weeks in full of course but they do have a lot of time off and I know they are not working that whole time).

Teaching must be a really hard job of course but there are many jobs that are the same, some the conditions are a hell of a lot worse.

Anyway I'm pointing out that many jobs have shit times but don't make thread after thread about their working conditions

do you not see the impact of teacher’s working conditions on your child’s education? Because unless you are paying or your child attends a school widely regarded to the the best locally, the chances are they are not receiving the standard of education you expect. Can you begin to imagine the impact of this from a global markets perspective in the medium term? Does it occur to you that if we are poorly educating our children, our brightest and best will go elsewhere?

you can keep putting teachers down but ignoring what we are saying is to our detriment.

you can keep putting teachers down but ignoring what we are saying is to our detriment

our being the whole country, not just teachers.

I have seen this shared about 5 times now since yesterday. I havent commented as I really like the people who have shared it but it is complete nonsense and one of the reasons people feel defensive over these sorts of threads.

My child has a good standard of education now, I was not happy with the provision offered during COVID. Thankfully I was able to educate so she didn't fall behind. I especially didn't appreciate them trying to get out of going back to school/ making threads moaning about going back when I nursed dying people throughout COVID.

@Givenuptotally

do you not see the impact of teacher’s working conditions on your child’s education?

Personally, no.

Except from Tuesday provision during covid and a few other niggles.

But none of them were due to teachers workloads.

Which at my kids schools, dont seem unreasonable.

Maybe they're just better at coping and or hiding the stress?

It’s not nonsense. It’s not how I personally choose to work but I can completely understand the sentiment behind it. The curriculum is too full and the class sizes are too big, too wide in ability, too mixed in terms of needs. I can completely understand how some teachers become this overwhelmed.

@FlirtyMelons

But no teacher evers says there job is the hardest, right?

🙄

Of course. That's why I qualified with 'to a certain extent'.
I'm really referring to it in what relevance it will make to pay and conditions - which I still think is naff all. Everyone could love teachers/doctors/nurses/paramedics/social workers/police etc etc etc, but it doesn't translate into better employment conditions.
And you are going to annoy people and lose positive regard if you take industrial action, it's just par for the course. But that is the way to improve your lot, not trying to get everyone to feel sorry for you or like you - it's just fruitless.
If teachers did take IA - you'd find unions across the country representing a lot of the professions you think don't have it as bad would offer their support and solidarity.

Does your kid access enhanced provision?

@MytummydontjigglejiggleItfolds

Yes, I agree

@Pumperthepumper

No.

Did the question I answered include that?

*specify that, I mean

It might. Do they get language lessons? Or music lessons?

Personally, no

so you know for a fact that your child is never taught by an unqualified TA? Or if I’m secondary, all her subject teachers are specialists in their subject? All the MFL teachers have a degree in the language they are teaching? All the maths teachers have a minimum of A level maths? The physics and chemistry teachers have related degrees?

Totally agree with this. Teachers need to start voting with their feet.

@Pumperthepumper

Yes

@Pumperthepumper I wasn't saying it is nonsense that it happens, of course that's true, but it's nonsense that it is the only job that applies to. It applies to hundreds of professions.

Not to mention class sizes, EP provision for classmates, support with ALN, safeguarding or fire protection guidelines, resources including reading books/jotters and appropriate space for breaks at lunch (for the kids).

How many hours per week? Are their teachers qualified? And to what level?

@Givenuptotally

Not taught by tas that I'm aware of.

How would I know the rest lol?

You asked if their education was compromised by the teachers workloads.

The answer to that, is to the best if my knowledge, excepting covid, no.

Maybe stress and work load levels are different in different schools and areas?

My kids school is not subject to ofsted for a start

How would I know the rest lol?

Exactly. So actually, you don’t know if their education is being compromised. It almost definitely is, by the way.

@Pumperthepumper

Why is that relevant to a question about workloads affecting education?

They have 2 periods each a week of language and music.

Their teachers, given that they are qualified teachers, appear to be suitably qualified.

I'm happy with their level of education and the school in general

@Pumperthepumper

Their education being compromised by teachers not being qualified to do their jobs is not the question I answered.

If teachers aren't capable or qualified to do the job, they shouldn't be doing it.

That has nothing to do with workloads