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I wonder what the actual split is of men who help and men who don't? VOTE

89 replies

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:04

IABU - My husband does nothing around the house or is incompetent about it or leaves most of it to me.

IANBU - My husband is my equal housekeeper and cook etc. and equally shares chores.

Thought it would be very interesting to see a snapshot of the situation. So many threads about this! A few saying 'we are equals' but I doubt they are that common so thought, a poll.

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CeeceeBloomingdale · 21/10/2022 13:19

I do almost everything but I work half the hours he does so that seems fair.

Iheartmykyndle · 21/10/2022 13:20

It's not helping. It's doing your share.

I can't vote because we're not 50/50 because of our circumstances - but we have similar amounts of free time, no issues with our own personal spending and the kids see us both doing parenting and stuff round the house.

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/10/2022 13:20

We play to our strengths in this house. If we literally split each chore 50/50 then we’d have some pretty shoddy halves of each. So we each do the ones we don’t mind doing and are better at. This means I haven’t washed dishes, folded clean laundry, or collected a billion mulchy rotting pears from the back garden every day in autumn in almost three years, so I’m pretty happy.

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:21

Clymene · 21/10/2022 13:10

Why do you do everything @mavismorpoth? You should each have equal amounts of free time

I have more free time than he does.

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cosmiccosmos · 21/10/2022 13:21

Sorry to be picky OP but we also all have different ideas on what constitutes an equal share.

Taking the bins out and mowing the lawn is not 'helping' or an equal share, they are once a week jobs. Neither is 'my DH will put a wash on'. It only really works when your partner is proactively thinking about doing jobs.

So I'm not voting, frankly some of 'jobs' I do wouldn't even cross my DPs mind eg cleaning the filter on the dishwasher.

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:22

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/10/2022 13:20

We play to our strengths in this house. If we literally split each chore 50/50 then we’d have some pretty shoddy halves of each. So we each do the ones we don’t mind doing and are better at. This means I haven’t washed dishes, folded clean laundry, or collected a billion mulchy rotting pears from the back garden every day in autumn in almost three years, so I’m pretty happy.

Yes that's wise. He does all his own ironing, I don't iron. He's a great parent but I clean the house daily and cook everything but I love cooking and I like listening to podcasts as I clean. I've also grown to get satisfaction from it, which is new. I have a friend who actually enjoys cleaning and now so do I.

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Reservoirbogs · 21/10/2022 13:23

Women will never have equality as long as they keep using the word HELPING to describe men parenting their own children and maintaining their own homes.
You see it on here all the time, it's infuriating.

RedAppleGirl · 21/10/2022 13:23

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:09

Have you noticed that men's homes, on the whole, tend to be either minimalist, dirty, or both?

I have. All the guys I knew in uni, no housekeeping skills. All the guys I met through the years, no housekeeping skills.

Why? The housewife model is not as common as it was, in fact is it rare now? Where are they getting this from? Why are they inept at caring for a home when necessary?

Dp does more than me, his home before we bought one together was immaculate. He does most of the management of his children, cooks most meals, and is generally a very tidy person.
I do a top to bottom clean on a Sunday, he does the rest during the week inc taking my old dog out, which I know he doesn't particularly want to do.

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:24

Reservoirbogs · 21/10/2022 13:23

Women will never have equality as long as they keep using the word HELPING to describe men parenting their own children and maintaining their own homes.
You see it on here all the time, it's infuriating.

You're right, and I will stop doing that. It is important to not convey that to people in general.

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mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:24

RedAppleGirl · 21/10/2022 13:23

Dp does more than me, his home before we bought one together was immaculate. He does most of the management of his children, cooks most meals, and is generally a very tidy person.
I do a top to bottom clean on a Sunday, he does the rest during the week inc taking my old dog out, which I know he doesn't particularly want to do.

I've known a few men who were immaculately tidy, one was my dad, one was my ex. Aside from that most men I've known are filthy or have few possessions in their home so no mess to make.

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cherrytreelanecherries · 21/10/2022 13:25

My husband “helps” with housework and childcare and in return I “help” with the family finances by bringing in the same salary as he does 😂

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/10/2022 13:28

My ex was useless so I’ve happily voted YABU!

I agree it’s not a binary situation- a full share or nothing. There are lots of shades in between.

When I married him I thought I had plenty of evidence he’d do more than his share with kids and home - boy was I wrong!

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:28

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/10/2022 13:16

Have you noticed that men's homes, on the whole, tend to be either minimalist, dirty, or both?

A good lesson to be teaching young women (or all women!) If you begin dating a man and, when he takes you home to his house, it’s unclean or he doesn’t show any pride in his surroundings then he is not suddenly going to change this attitude towards cleanliness and chores when he lives with you.

Why some women end up in long term relationships with lazy men when all the obvious warning signs were there at the start I’ve no idea.

Very true! I'll add this to things I want to tell my daughter about finding a mate. I'm so focused on ensuring she has self-worth and doesn't sell herself short like I used to.

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MangshorJhol · 21/10/2022 13:30

DH does more than 50%. In a bit that's rare he handles everything with school, is on the school PTA and Board (we are in the US), and does everything from Halloween costumes to birthday gifts for parties. He's also unusual in that he's the only man I know in my social circles (academics, doctors, professionals), who has made career choices to enable MY career even though he's a much higher earner. He doesn't judge my career by how much I earn (I'm an academic and he's a doctor), and that is not how we divide up housework as well (aka I work shorter hours but my extra hours at home are given to our 3 kids).

I think the 'equal' model that is more common is where both husband and wife work, but the wife works less and earns less and does more housework and certainly carries the mental load. I work shorter hours and earn less but I don't do more housework, and I don't carry the mental load. And if I leave my husband with the kids I don't need to hand him a cheat sheet.

984673P · 21/10/2022 13:30

Agree with all the comments above about it not being ‘help’. It is just what an adult does.

Also agree you would need more options really. I think my DH does a bit more than me because of circumstance, timing and level of caring. I voted YANBU though, as it is the closest option.

AgapanthusandAcers · 21/10/2022 13:30

I agree with @Chrisinthemorning.
My DH does more than half.

RedAppleGirl · 21/10/2022 13:30

mavismorpoth · 21/10/2022 13:24

I've known a few men who were immaculately tidy, one was my dad, one was my ex. Aside from that most men I've known are filthy or have few possessions in their home so no mess to make.

I think his mum and dad are clean freaks. He's adopted that, his brother not so much. He's the same with his grooming, he even shaves the micro hair on his ears fgs.😂

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 21/10/2022 13:30

Eg ex was a fantastic uncle prior to kids, made lots of time to prioritise them on family get togethers etc. Different story when we had kids - everything was too tiring and very clear he saw it all as my job, and he could dip in as he chose (of course ruling the roost at the times he did fancy dipping in).

He was always the one pre kids who wanted to spend out time doing housework, whilst I was less bothered. When kids came always, all my job again, despite the fact we were both working at very similar jobs.

arethereanyleftatall · 21/10/2022 13:31

Your vote also isn't fair because you haven't allowed for any working out of the home. If a couple has decided between themselves that one will bring the money, and one will do the housework, it's not really fair to include that in the 'he doesn't help'.
Would you like it if a bloke started a thread 'how many wives contribute to finances.'

Adeleskirts · 21/10/2022 13:31

What antiquated language and views. My single male friends homes, two young, one old are all neat and tidy . My daughters male friends homes are as tidy as their female counterparts. It’s not helping as it’s not my job, it is noth our home, we both work so we contribute equally noth financially and in terms of housework and when our child was younger he had more of the child care than me.

god I hate these 1950s stereotypes and language. Utterly makes my skin crawl.

Anotherbloodyusername2 · 21/10/2022 13:31

My husband doesn't "help" he just does stuff (or doesn't do stuff).

OP83 · 21/10/2022 13:32

It doesn't really matter who does more of the household tasks as it's completely subjective based on other factors.

If both work, both do equal childcare then both should really do equal housework.

At the opposite end, if the husband works full-time and either the kids are at school or left home, then it isn't unreasonable to expect the partner to do more of the housework (I use a man doing the full-time job in this example as I had to pick one and not because I think that's his/her job!)

HeadNorth · 21/10/2022 13:32

My DH doesn't 'help' - we are both adults in the house with equal responsibility to keep it livable and prevent dysentery. Neither of us love housework, but we do the minimum to ensure tidiness and hygiene. I can't be bothered with elevating housework beyond the minimal chores required (eg the Mumsnet massive who change bedsheets daily and faint at an unwashed towel). With our joint slapdash approach the two of us muddle by.

GetThatHelmetOn · 21/10/2022 13:32

I think you should be asking how many men do as much as the woman in the relationship. I’m pretty much sure everybody has a husband that helps but very very few have one that does the same or more.

Anniefrenchfry · 21/10/2022 13:33

I've known a few men who were immaculately tidy, one was my dad, one was my ex. Aside from that most men I've known are filthy or have few possessions in their home so no mess to make

good god what a miserable social circle you have.

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