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Was I rude/wrong in this situation?

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clankist · 16/10/2022 16:20

Was out walking my two seven month chihuahuas today. I have treated them like dogs from day one and they are very well trained. They walk off lead absolutely fine and don't bother other dogs at all, however if a dog comes running over to them they will bolt.

Today I was walking them off lead and there were two big golden retriever with two women who were chatting. We were quite a distance away but one of the retrievers started barking and running towards me/my dogs. I put my hand out in a 'stop' motion as it got closer. I said, 'stop' and when that didn't work I said 'no'. That didn't work either and my dogs started to run away.

I moved away from the dogs and began to call for my dogs but the retriever kept following me so my dogs were standing watching at a distance but wouldn't come over due to the dog being next to me. I shouted across to the woman, 'can you please get your dog?' No reply and she continued talking.

I moved away again, calling my dogs and the dog followed me again. I looked at the lady and shouted, 'can you get your dog?' She didn't move.

I moved away again and the dog followed once again, at this point I was exasperated and said a little sternly, 'will You move your dog!?'

She came over and said, 'my dog isn't anywhere near your dogs' rudely.

I said, 'yeah because they ran away terrified due to your dog coming up to them. If your dog is off lead it shouldn't be running up to my dogs'

She went to say something but I just held up my hand and said, 'thank you'.

I then continued my walk with my dogs and the lady met another dog walker who then started pointing to me and shaking their head.

Did I do the right thing to deal with this situation or was I too sensitive? I just think you shouldn't have your dog off the lead unless you know they will not approach any other dogs without permission.

OP posts:
AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:28

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:26

In many areas, the etiquette is that off-lead dogs are okay to socialise, and on-lead ones aren't.

If your dogs are prone to bolting, you are (imo) an idiot for continuing to have them off the lead once you've spotted other dogs.

I don't disagree that if the dogs bolt they should be on a lead. I had already said that. But unless you know the owner of another off lead dog you should not let your dog approach it. Especially if there is a great distance.

happiertimes123 · 16/10/2022 17:28

Your dogs don't have full recall so they shouldn't be offlead. An offlead dog = a dog who is safe to play with other dogs. Your dogs are not. Lead them up!

PJPatrol · 16/10/2022 17:28

Skatewing · 16/10/2022 16:33

Dogs should be on leads unless they are in an area that caters for them such as a dog park or that the owner can 100% guarantee their dogs recall.
I say this as a dog owner.
Too many people allow their dogs to pester other dogs and humans.

Im restricted to where I can walk my dogs as they are constantly pestered by other dogs and ignorant owners telling me they are only saying their unwanted hello. I have a blind and partially deaf dog that finds this worrying.

^This

I'm sick to death of dog owners who allow their 'friendly' dogs to 'just
say hello' to my young children.
As a result of too many bad experiences they are now extremely frightened of ALL dogs.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:29

PinkSox · 16/10/2022 17:27

I’ve no idea why posters are stating a dog, who is off lead, is fair game for other off lead dogs to bound over and jump all over the dog and it’s owner.

I walk my dogs off lead. I’ve trained them not to approach people or other dogs. They don’t want other dogs bothering them and neither do I.

If everyone kept their dogs to themselves dog walking would be a much more pleasant experience. Reading some of the dog threads on MN I’m so grateful to be living in the country, surrounded by mountains and not having to encounter untrained, rude, nuisance dogs and their owners every time I walk my dogs.

I walk them in the park - well away from the children’s play area, occasionally if they need a quick walk/play fetch.

The number of untrained dogs and clueless owners around lately is astounding.

If you cannot control your dog, using your voice, put it on a lead!

This! Again.

I'm amazed at the shit owners on this thread.

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:30

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:28

I don't disagree that if the dogs bolt they should be on a lead. I had already said that. But unless you know the owner of another off lead dog you should not let your dog approach it. Especially if there is a great distance.

I don't disagree, but you can't control what other people do - only yourself.

If OP's dogs had bolted into a road, they'd likely be dead. It's her duty to keep them safe and that means on a lead around other dogs if they're nervous.

YellowTreeHouse · 16/10/2022 17:30

clankist · 16/10/2022 17:01

Didn't her dog bolt over to my dogs though? Why doesn't she keep her boisterous, prone to bolt dog on the lead?

She should do too.

But her being a poor dog owner as well does not mean you can be one also.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:30

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:30

I don't disagree, but you can't control what other people do - only yourself.

If OP's dogs had bolted into a road, they'd likely be dead. It's her duty to keep them safe and that means on a lead around other dogs if they're nervous.

Exactly. Which is why you don't let your dog approach other dogs.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 16/10/2022 17:31

No you weren't rude. It pisses me off when people let their dogs run up to any other dog especially when you asked her several times to get her dog. Bit like parents who let their children run wild.

CarefreeMe · 16/10/2022 17:32

I put my hand up and said, 'thank you' and walked away. I wasn't near her, so it would have been impossible for me to put my hand in her face. Which I wouldn't have done anyway. I put my hand up to stop the conversation.

Why would you even do this?!

I’m cringing for you.

Just keep your dogs on a lead around other dogs in future and hopefully she will do the same.

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:32

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:30

Exactly. Which is why you don't let your dog approach other dogs.

But as I say, OP can't control other people - only her own actions. She shouldn't be relying on other people to keep her dogs' safe.

In this scenario, all three dogs were off-lead and none of them were under control. OP's were running off and the other dog wasn't responding to its' owners call. All as bad as each other.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:34

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:32

But as I say, OP can't control other people - only her own actions. She shouldn't be relying on other people to keep her dogs' safe.

In this scenario, all three dogs were off-lead and none of them were under control. OP's were running off and the other dog wasn't responding to its' owners call. All as bad as each other.

I don't understand why you keep replying to me. I have said the op and the other owner should above had their dogs on a lead.

clankist · 16/10/2022 17:34

CarefreeMe · 16/10/2022 17:32

I put my hand up and said, 'thank you' and walked away. I wasn't near her, so it would have been impossible for me to put my hand in her face. Which I wouldn't have done anyway. I put my hand up to stop the conversation.

Why would you even do this?!

I’m cringing for you.

Just keep your dogs on a lead around other dogs in future and hopefully she will do the same.

You don't need to cringe for me

OP posts:
Cantthinkofanewnameatm · 16/10/2022 17:35

She was in the wrong. If another dog owner asked you to call your dog in it’s because there’s a potential problem and she should have complied. It’s common sense but obviously some people don’t have any.

HollyJollypup · 16/10/2022 17:36

the Other women should of had her dogs under control and they shouldn’t of come up to you.

I bloody hate dog owners that just let there dog bound over when your dog is staying nicely besides you.

dadumdedum · 16/10/2022 17:36

Two wrongs don't make a right op.

You were both in the wrong re dogs off less and you then acted like a rude so and so by putting your hand up to her

Tollystar · 16/10/2022 17:36

I think since your dogs were off lead, the dog did nothing wrong approaching your dogs - that's the 'accepted' etiquette for off-lead dogs. It actually sounds like the dog was respectful of the body language of your dogs, and while he wanted to play, he didn't force himself on your dogs (hence the comment from the woman "my dog is nowhere near your dogs".

But she could have been more helpful in the circumstances.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 16/10/2022 17:37

Tollystar · 16/10/2022 17:36

I think since your dogs were off lead, the dog did nothing wrong approaching your dogs - that's the 'accepted' etiquette for off-lead dogs. It actually sounds like the dog was respectful of the body language of your dogs, and while he wanted to play, he didn't force himself on your dogs (hence the comment from the woman "my dog is nowhere near your dogs".

But she could have been more helpful in the circumstances.

It's so so not acceptable

HollyJollypup · 16/10/2022 17:37

I don’t even think raising your hand to end the convo is that bad. She was bloody ignorant when you had to ask 3 times for her to get her pain in the ass dog.

YellowTreeHouse · 16/10/2022 17:39

@HollyJollypup I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “ignorant”.

Plantstrees · 16/10/2022 17:40

It seems to me that neither of you had full control of your dogs and therefore both should have kept your dogs on leads.

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 16/10/2022 17:40

You were both being UR.

Her dog doesn't have full recall and neither do yours.

thelobsterquadrille · 16/10/2022 17:41

Cantthinkofanewnameatm · 16/10/2022 17:35

She was in the wrong. If another dog owner asked you to call your dog in it’s because there’s a potential problem and she should have complied. It’s common sense but obviously some people don’t have any.

I agree - but common sense is also having your nervous dogs on a lead around other dogs when you know they're prone to bolting - which OP didn't bother doing either.

Meanderingpuppy · 16/10/2022 17:43

People shouldn't let their dogs run up to other people. Some people of scared of dogs or very allergic, so the other lady was really inconsiderate

HollyJollypup · 16/10/2022 17:43

YellowTreeHouse · 16/10/2022 17:39

@HollyJollypup I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “ignorant”.

@YellowTreeHouse it has a informal meaning of discourteous or rude. Which is what the dog owner was being.

Which is how I was using it. HTH you.

FanTaill · 16/10/2022 17:47

WifeMotherWorker · 16/10/2022 17:03

If dogs are off lead that is an indication that they are happy for interaction. Conversely keeping a dog on a lead is a signal to other owners to not approach. I have one on lead (old, nervous and will bolt) and one off lead (young, trained and friendly).

Disagree. A well trained dog should be allowed to
run and sniff and chase a ball (things it can’t do easily on lead) without being followed and jumped on and bowled over by other dogs.

Brief interaction; fine. But keep an eye on your dog and if you see the other dog isn’t interested or happy then move them on.

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