Do you like dogs more than people and treat them better than people ?

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It seems to me there are a lot of people who value dogs higher than they do people and treat them better ?

Do you agree ? Do you do this ?

Me too, I would think.

I donate to animal charities over human ones. I’ll sponsor family and friends for their choices of charity, but I just give to animal charities by choice, a few times a year.

It’s not objective though, is it? It’s still subjective, as you’re placing your own personal opinions as to the value of life span and fecundity. Hell, your own personal opinions as to the value of life at all.

If the puppy is allowed to live, it's life will last about a 5th of that of the human baby. It will touch the lives of far fewer people and it's potential to contribute to the greater good will be minute by comparison.

But by the same thought process, the puppy's potential contribution to the greater BAD is minute. The baby could grow up to win the Nobel Peace Prize, or could grow up to be a mass murderer - it's a gamble. The puppy is a safer bet. Even if it mauled someone to death as an adult dog, it would only 'get away' with that once, unlike a serial killer who could kill dozens of people (or make them miserable in other ways). That's why I would toss a coin - because you can't predict how the baby will turn out.

Suppose the choice was between Fred West as an infant, and a future Guide Dog - which would you choose then?

The dog will have less of an environmental impact on the planet than the baby or adult human, as has already been said.

Also the human may contribute nothing at all to the greater good, even if they live harmless, law abiding lives.

A couple of posters asked if those of us choosing a dog before a human are vegetarian so I am replying. Of course I care about cows which is why I am vegetarian.

With regard to our money. We have no contact with DH's family and I just have 2 siblings. Both siblings are much better off than us, they live in much bigger houses and have no mortgage. Both retired in their early 50's as did their spouses whereas DH is still working. Both their children earn very good money and will likely receive pretty large inheritances.

We were going to leave money to a friend but she has recently come into a very large amount of money so does not need it.

I’d save my dogs over a stranger, no hesitation. I’d probably save someone else’s dog over a stranger too. I agree with a few upthread, what makes humans automatically superior?
Dogs don’t have the flaws humans have.
A good dog has the potential to bring so much love and joy. The love I have for mine is everything. There is no holiday, or item in a shop to buy that can make me happier than just being with them. Completely unconditional uncomplicated and pure. They’ve shown me how to live and actually enjoy my life.

You don’t need to justify yourself. If someone wants to be disgusted over what someone else decides to do with their money then let them get on with it, it gives them something to do at least. It’s their problem, not yours.

If you cared about cows, you'd be vegan. Vegetarians generally contribute to MORE animal cruelty than the average meat-eater as they tend to over-compensate with dairy. Go learn about the dairy industry. Try Dairy Is Scary on YouTube, or Joey Carbstrong's Febuscary.

Great that your immediate family don't need it. I bet you can find a grateful local single mother whose life, and whose children's lives, you'd hugely change with a windfall of however much it is.

Why would she do that? If you want to then presumably no one is stopping you, but the poster has clearly already decided what she wants to do with her money upon her death.

If i knew for certain, then the puppy.
But otherwise, I'd play the odds.
The vast majority of human beings don't become either Nobel prize winners or heinous criminals. They become ordinary people living regular lives, and in the process give love and care, practical and emotional support to other people and also to animals. They work in ways that benefit society, contribute to the economy. The chances of the baby being a serial killer are vanishingly small compared to the chances of them being a teacher, carer, paramedic, vet, or the person who empties your bin or drives your train to work.

Dogs are better than people, and they treat people better than people do.

If all the harmless law abiding people were sacrificed at birth in favour of puppies, the contribution they would have otherwise have made to the world would soon be apparant.

I'm sorry, I know this isn't what you meant but I now have this vision of being overrun by thousands of andrex puppies swarming around me. I would think I was in heaven 😂

😂 Admittedly it has its appeal.
Until we realised it really was the last of the toilet roll because we'd killed off all the future manufacturers!

I know all about the dairy industry and I don't use any dairy. I do eat eggs though which is why I can't say I am a vegan. I only buy eggs from neighbours whose chickens have free run of their gardens.

Me and DH do not wish to give our money to any stranger, single mother or not, thank you.

I’m very suspicious of people who proudly claim they prefer dogs to people. I always find they’re not very nice, but they think they are because they’re an ‘animal lover’.

Because what they usually mean is they prefer having a follower who doesn’t answer back and does as it’s told rather than a complex human.

Definitely dogs and I'd save my dog first without a doubt.

I love my dog, and in the normal course of life, she gets a very high priority. But between running over a human or a dog, you'd have to save the human. And feel like shit for killing the dog for months or years after. And I do think dogs are generally easier and nicer than humans.. because they can't argue.

I find this comment so illogical and ridiculous.

They don’t have the capacity to treat humans badly. Because they’re dogs. Well Unless they’re killing or biting them. They don’t tell you to fuck off because they can’t. Dogs love their masters because that’s who feeds and walks them, not because they’re attracted to their sparkling personality.

I find people who proudly proclaim that they hate dogs to not be very nice people... and also extremist in their views.

I have a dog. Nothing to do with wanting to control a lesser being as apposed to a complex human. You are not the first to say similar.
My dog enhances my life... she is not a replacement for a partner or children.

I don’t hate dogs, quite the contrary, but I completely understand people who do. They can be scary, they stink, you have to pick up their shit and in the long run there’s very little appeal. I’d just probably judge them to have a preference. Rather than be some animal killing psycho or whatever

I am one of those people

Having read a Mumsnet thread a few years ago, where one poster claimed she loved her dog as much as if not more than her own children, nothing surprises me anymore.
Those poor children. Lower in the pecking order than a bloody dog.

My daughter is often jealous of the dog because I'm often nicer to the dog 😂 but she's a stroppy teen and he just wants to cuddle up to me on the sofa 🥰

My dogs are objectively better than many people are. My religious beliefs would compel me to save a person instead of my dog (in that oh-so insightful and not at all goady scenario 🙄), but I honestly believe some people are less deserving of being saved than a good dog would be. I'd rather spend time with most dogs than most people, on the whole.

As for dogs smelling? Sometimes people smell, too, worse than a dog!