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Do you like dogs more than people and treat them better than people ?

331 replies

tvluv · 14/10/2022 07:49

It seems to me there are a lot of people who value dogs higher than they do people and treat them better ?

Do you agree ? Do you do this ?

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HollyJollypup · 14/10/2022 13:22

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:19

Lol at all of these people saying they’d save their dog first. No you wouldn’t 😂

You would feel morally compelled to save a human life over an animal because they are worth more.

So you can say and think it and protest it (as I’m sure you’re all going to 😂) as much as you want but it’s entirely rubbish.

It’s really not though.

Im going to save someone I love (my dog) over someone I don’t care about.

My dog is worth more then a complete stranger I don’t care about 😂

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:22

Highschoolprobs · 14/10/2022 12:42

I wonder if all the people who value a cat or dog's life over a human's are all vegetarians? Not goady- genuine question? And are your pets vegetarians? And if not how does your brain allow you to differentiate between animals?

Why is this relevant? I prefer animals to humans. Does that mean I don’t eat meat?! No, it’s means I accept that humans are part of the animal kingdom, and we have our place in the food chain just like all other animals.

Equally stupid question as some of the questions aimed at animal lovers coming for the dog haters: if you were trapped after an earthquake would you prefer not to be found and have your life saved by one of those smelly, nasty search and rescue mutts?

whatapity · 14/10/2022 13:23

It's an unlikely scenario, the life saving.

It's a difficult one to answer, but there are probably circumstances where I would possibly choose to save my cat/dog over a stranger. I'd then try to 'help' the person if that was an option.

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:26

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:19

Lol at all of these people saying they’d save their dog first. No you wouldn’t 😂

You would feel morally compelled to save a human life over an animal because they are worth more.

So you can say and think it and protest it (as I’m sure you’re all going to 😂) as much as you want but it’s entirely rubbish.

Humans are animals. I know some humans like to think they’re extra special and not part of the animal kingdom, but you are. And in the bigger scheme of things, your life is no more important to nature/evolution/the planet than any other animals. Sorry.

LaDamaDeElche · 14/10/2022 13:26

Sparklingbrook To be honest in a situation like where my pet and a person were drowning, I'd be useless as I'd probably drown too! Someone else would be making the decision which of the three of us to save 😂

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 14/10/2022 13:28

Humans are animals. I know some humans like to think they’re extra special and not part of the animal kingdom, but you are. And in the bigger scheme of things, your life is no more important to nature/evolution/the planet than any other animals. Sorry

Very much agree with this. Humans are not special. We aren't endangered. We don't bring anything to the party, we just destroy. We are certainly not worth more than any other species of animal.

girlmom21 · 14/10/2022 13:28

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:19

Lol at all of these people saying they’d save their dog first. No you wouldn’t 😂

You would feel morally compelled to save a human life over an animal because they are worth more.

So you can say and think it and protest it (as I’m sure you’re all going to 😂) as much as you want but it’s entirely rubbish.

I'd struggle to pick between my dog and my partner so I certainly wouldn't struggle to pick between the dog and a stranger

Highschoolprobs · 14/10/2022 13:30

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:22

Why is this relevant? I prefer animals to humans. Does that mean I don’t eat meat?! No, it’s means I accept that humans are part of the animal kingdom, and we have our place in the food chain just like all other animals.

Equally stupid question as some of the questions aimed at animal lovers coming for the dog haters: if you were trapped after an earthquake would you prefer not to be found and have your life saved by one of those smelly, nasty search and rescue mutts?

I love dogs and cats and I don't kill spiders or bees. I did have exterminators kill mice when they were chewing my wiring and I do eat meat killed by other people. The question was why do some people treat animals better than humans? And with the thought experiment about killing or eating animals other people are highlighting that actually only some animals are treated better by humans. I'm just intereststed in how humans can justify our hypocrisy (my own included)- if there is an actual psychological or sociological phenomenon that allows this cognitive disonance?

JOFFCV · 14/10/2022 13:32

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:19

Lol at all of these people saying they’d save their dog first. No you wouldn’t 😂

You would feel morally compelled to save a human life over an animal because they are worth more.

So you can say and think it and protest it (as I’m sure you’re all going to 😂) as much as you want but it’s entirely rubbish.

Honestly? I'm pretty sure when I asked my colleague if she'd choose hers cats or a random stranger and she said her cats she meant it. She really isn't a people person.

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:33

Highschoolprobs · 14/10/2022 13:30

I love dogs and cats and I don't kill spiders or bees. I did have exterminators kill mice when they were chewing my wiring and I do eat meat killed by other people. The question was why do some people treat animals better than humans? And with the thought experiment about killing or eating animals other people are highlighting that actually only some animals are treated better by humans. I'm just intereststed in how humans can justify our hypocrisy (my own included)- if there is an actual psychological or sociological phenomenon that allows this cognitive disonance?

But it’s not hypocritical, all meat eating animals have a diet of meat they eat, they don’t eat just anything (or the vast majority don’t anyway). So a lion for example, do they treat humans better than antelope because they don’t tend to see us as food? Of course not.

Sparklingbrook · 14/10/2022 13:34

LaDamaDeElche · 14/10/2022 13:26

Sparklingbrook To be honest in a situation like where my pet and a person were drowning, I'd be useless as I'd probably drown too! Someone else would be making the decision which of the three of us to save 😂

Yeah, it's fairly unlikely isn't it? Sparklingcat never leaves our house or garden so I'd hate to think what tragedy would have to happen for me to choose between saving her life or a stranger's. Something involving a tradesman presumably, freak window cleaning/plumbing related accident.

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:34

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:26

Humans are animals. I know some humans like to think they’re extra special and not part of the animal kingdom, but you are. And in the bigger scheme of things, your life is no more important to nature/evolution/the planet than any other animals. Sorry.

“Sorry” but none of that changes the accuracy of my comment at all.

Even if you were genuinely crazy enough to think a human life and an animal life were of the same value, and that humans have brought nothing to this earth, that doesn’t change the fact that a human would be compelled to save another human life over that of animal. Even their own.

Verv · 14/10/2022 13:35

Chesneyhawkes1 · 14/10/2022 07:58

I like my dogs better than most people.

And 100% I'd save my dogs life before a strangers.

Same here.

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:37

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:34

“Sorry” but none of that changes the accuracy of my comment at all.

Even if you were genuinely crazy enough to think a human life and an animal life were of the same value, and that humans have brought nothing to this earth, that doesn’t change the fact that a human would be compelled to save another human life over that of animal. Even their own.

Humans have done more damage to this planet than any other species, we are of no value to it whatsoever. We assign ourselves value based on our own arrogance and ego.

But yes, generally we would be more compelled to save a human over another species, as would for example, an elephant be more compelled to save a baby elephant, than save a human child. That’s just nature.

JOFFCV · 14/10/2022 13:39

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:34

“Sorry” but none of that changes the accuracy of my comment at all.

Even if you were genuinely crazy enough to think a human life and an animal life were of the same value, and that humans have brought nothing to this earth, that doesn’t change the fact that a human would be compelled to save another human life over that of animal. Even their own.

You don't know how other people feel just how you feel.

No amount of laughing with tears emojis you type is going to make your statement true.

ChagSameachDoreen · 14/10/2022 13:39

The "I prefer dogs to people" crew are always socially inadequate weirdos who think they're super intelligent and different. Always.

LaDamaDeElche · 14/10/2022 13:39

Sparklingbrook Yes, thankfully very unlikely. I suppose the only situation that I can think of would be if you lived in a block of flats and there was a fire or something like that, but again, thankfully very unlikely for most of us to experience a fire that got that out of control. Most animals, especially cats, have a good sense of self preservation, so would most likely save themselves in most situations.

MissingNashville · 14/10/2022 13:39

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:19

Lol at all of these people saying they’d save their dog first. No you wouldn’t 😂

You would feel morally compelled to save a human life over an animal because they are worth more.

So you can say and think it and protest it (as I’m sure you’re all going to 😂) as much as you want but it’s entirely rubbish.

And you can say and think and protest that I wouldn’t, as much as you want but that’s entirely rubbish.

I have a dim view of most humans, outside of people I’m close to, based on how I’ve seen most behave, selfish, jealous, arrogant, dishonest, bitchy, violent, deceitful, abusive...the list is never ending. Most people are immoral and I would not feel morally compelled to save a bunch of people like that. You can think that’s not true if you like, that has no impact on me.

Im vegan. I work with rescue dogs. I foster dogs and other animals. I give to animal charities only. We’re in the process of setting up a rescue sanctuary. Other than a very close group of family and friends, animals are what I’m completely devoted to.

YellowTreeHouse · 14/10/2022 13:40

People “mean” a lot of things they say until they actually happen.

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:40

ChagSameachDoreen · 14/10/2022 13:39

The "I prefer dogs to people" crew are always socially inadequate weirdos who think they're super intelligent and different. Always.

Right, whereas the I Hate Dogs crew sound so lovely and none judgemental, as you’ve just demonstrated…

HollyJollypup · 14/10/2022 13:44

ChagSameachDoreen · 14/10/2022 13:39

The "I prefer dogs to people" crew are always socially inadequate weirdos who think they're super intelligent and different. Always.

😂😂 You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried

Highschoolprobs · 14/10/2022 13:44

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:33

But it’s not hypocritical, all meat eating animals have a diet of meat they eat, they don’t eat just anything (or the vast majority don’t anyway). So a lion for example, do they treat humans better than antelope because they don’t tend to see us as food? Of course not.

Lions kill food indiscriminately. If they are hungry they will eat whatever is easy to catch and has a decent amount of meat on it. They don't abstain from eating other animals because they are particularly cute though. And they don't keep pets. Despite what Lion King told us about Timon and Pumba!

Sparklingbrook · 14/10/2022 13:44

LaDamaDeElche · 14/10/2022 13:39

Sparklingbrook Yes, thankfully very unlikely. I suppose the only situation that I can think of would be if you lived in a block of flats and there was a fire or something like that, but again, thankfully very unlikely for most of us to experience a fire that got that out of control. Most animals, especially cats, have a good sense of self preservation, so would most likely save themselves in most situations.

There's so many stories of people attempting to save their pets and ending up getting into trouble themselves, but the pet got out anyway. People jumping into water after their dogs and end up drowning while the dog got itself to safety.

Naunet · 14/10/2022 13:47

Highschoolprobs · 14/10/2022 13:44

Lions kill food indiscriminately. If they are hungry they will eat whatever is easy to catch and has a decent amount of meat on it. They don't abstain from eating other animals because they are particularly cute though. And they don't keep pets. Despite what Lion King told us about Timon and Pumba!

As would we if we were starving, but lions have a preference over what they kill, as do the vast majority of meat eaters.

Obviously they don’t have pets, that’s a human construct, and a luxury one at that. We only have pets because we have access to enough food that there’s no competition.

Sparklingbrook · 14/10/2022 13:48

Dogs are probably deemed to be 'nicer' than people because they are (on the whole, except when biting and killing people) mostly compliant, needy and most importantly do not speak. So no unwanted opinions, rude comments etc. And you can pretend they are thinking about how much they love you etc...

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