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12 year old girl beaten in park

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ThisShitsBananas · 13/10/2022 19:26

How the fuck are kids this young being so violent?? 12 year old girl hanged up on an beaten unconscious by a gang of other school girls. I’m just speechless. I can’t even begin to imagine how terrified she must have been.

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/autistic-girl-12-lured-park-7697708

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Quveas · 13/10/2022 21:21

There was a thread recently - I hoped it was trolling, but honestly it didn't seem to be - where someone was irate that their daughter had been questioned in school, with an appropriate adult present, about their being present at, filming and laughing at a girl being assaulted in the same way. That mother appeared to be entirely oblivious to the fact that her daughter was a vile creature and more concerned about if her daughters rights had been violated.

MayISuggestSomeThickCutSteakChipsToGoWithThat · 13/10/2022 21:30

Happened to me when I was 15. Merrily walking with a few friends. When one girl jumped out and asked what I'd been saying about her friend. Just about to say wtf are you on about when a second girl jumped in and smashed me straight in the cheek bone. Next thing she grabbed me by the hair and flung me to the floor. I had 1 girl kicking my skull and another girl kicking me over and over again in my ribs. One of the group I was with managed to pull me to knees but I was unable to get up quick enough to run away. Grabbed by the hair again and had my head yanked back and was punched up into my nose and slammed back onto the floor again where the repeated kicks into my skull and ribs started again. It was only thanks to a passer by that they ran off and I was able to get away. The result I was left with severe concussion, told another kick to the back of my skull and I wouldn't have being sat there that day making a statement to the Police. Left with horrendous migraines which affected both my school work and my GCSEs and also left with massive anxiety going out anywhere by myself. What did they get. Fuck all apart from a £25 fine each cos it wasn't witnessed by an adult. The worse thing I knew them and thought they were my friends.

Sirius3030 · 13/10/2022 21:31

Georgeskitchen · 13/10/2022 20:14

This is the result of 40 years of nambypamby Liberal bleeding heart policies. Slowly but surely any means of authority and discipline has been taken away from teachers, police,courts and parents. Add social media and young kids with smartphones and bingo you've got the perfect storm.
anyone who didn't see this coming must have their head in a bucket of sand

Because this has never happened before in history? Right…

witchesbubblebath · 13/10/2022 21:34

Very odd thing to do. Looks like a hate crime. Horrific.

Georgeskitchen · 13/10/2022 21:37

Gingerkittykat · 13/10/2022 21:19

I'm surprised the perpetrator was taken to court and has to reappear, normally in Scotland crimes committed by those under 16 go to the children's panel who do nothing.

I really hope the perpetrator is properly punished.

And of course it's now illegal to give your badly behaved kid a good hiding (England will be next)
I have a couple of friends in Scotland who regularly threaten their kids with a trip down to Carlisle 😉😉

Bluesandwhites · 13/10/2022 21:38

A similar incident happened in Chorley Lancs, in August 2022, and the mum of the young victim reported to Lancashire Police, who told her they couldn't do anything as they did not have an officer assigned to investigate ! After it happened to another young girl, again, no investigation, even though it was the same youths who launched the first attack, so the parents formed a collective and protested outside the police station, until the violent teenagers had been visited. The thugs were told to write a letter of apology to the first victim !

HollyJollypup · 13/10/2022 21:44

daretodenim · 13/10/2022 19:44

Any bystander to a person bring physically assaulted who films it and does not then go STRAIGHT to the police with the film (physically or call straight away and report their film) should be charged with something similar to aiding and abetting.

Distribution of any such a film should be handled similarly to if it was a sexual assault.

I don't know how Abby's mother copes. The rage if kids did this to my DD would be incapacitating.

I agree. Poor girl, The rage I feel would be something else.

Thank fuck I don’t live in a rough shit hole where this kind of thing is rare.

Celebrityskint · 13/10/2022 21:53

Georgeskitchen · 13/10/2022 20:14

This is the result of 40 years of nambypamby Liberal bleeding heart policies. Slowly but surely any means of authority and discipline has been taken away from teachers, police,courts and parents. Add social media and young kids with smartphones and bingo you've got the perfect storm.
anyone who didn't see this coming must have their head in a bucket of sand

Hi, this is indeed terrible. But it’s not anything new: at least there is filmed evidence.
I’m from drumchapel, when I was a kid someone a few years older than me randomly decided to “batter” me. Pulled out so much hair that I had a bald patch.

was also bullied physically at school by a couple of girls.

I have anxiety now even in my 40s: and I believe that this massively contributed to it: any conflict with a woman (even work related over the phone) makes me massively stressed. Whereas a similar disagreement with a man: I don’t bother.

the girls that bullied me at school: as an adult I have a degree of sympathy for them: they had hideous home lives. One died in her 30s.

i really hope that help is given for the victim here. But also some work done with the perpetrator to work through their issues

LosingMyPancakes · 13/10/2022 21:54

To all the posters claiming this is youth today or social media. Not at all. In my school, 15-20 yeas ago, in a pretty rough area, this happened every now and again. But no one recorded it and so the news didn't report this stuff...

Dibbydoos · 13/10/2022 22:10

Yet another person with ASD lured into what could have been a place of no return. I sincerely hope she tecovers and is given help to come to terms with it. Heartbreaking

What role did her friend play in this I wonder? It's relatively easy to befriend someone with ASD they are more trusting than non ASDs because thry just don't see tge undercurrents.

The 13yo arrested needs to get the book thrown at her or she'll think its OK to do this again. Hope her parents/guardians also add heat. But you wonder why she did this. Its excessive violence like she was getting something out of her. There's no justification for thus, but she doesn't sound OK to me either, though I admit when I was at school there were some nasty girls around. As adults they admit they were AHs and are sorry but have no explanation as to why they behaved the way they did.

Greenight · 13/10/2022 22:12
  1. All social media accounts should have verified ID documents held by the host (Mumsnet, Twitter etc).
  2. It should be a criminal offence to post or transmit a violent video
  3. Where violent videos are posted, the police should contact the social media host (Mumsnet or whatever) who will give the police the ID document copy
  4. The police then arrest and jail the person who made or transmitted the video. It’s particularly important that children who do this experience some form of jail time. They don’t care if their parents are fined, or else if a judge tells them off.

This has been getting worse and worse ever since the internet became so accessible and the government needs to step up and regulate it properly.

LondonWolf · 13/10/2022 22:18

Georgeskitchen · 13/10/2022 20:14

This is the result of 40 years of nambypamby Liberal bleeding heart policies. Slowly but surely any means of authority and discipline has been taken away from teachers, police,courts and parents. Add social media and young kids with smartphones and bingo you've got the perfect storm.
anyone who didn't see this coming must have their head in a bucket of sand

I'm afraid I agree with this.

LondonWolf · 13/10/2022 22:20

SpanishSteps123Ole · 13/10/2022 20:34

Can I ask, will any of you be showing this story to your 11-13 year old daughters? I'm in two minds.

I showed it to my autistic teen. She was very shocked but she is a trusting, gentle girl and I think she needs to know about such incidents to help her protect herself.

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 13/10/2022 22:28

I've name changed just to comment on this thread as sadly we're going through exactly the same thing and I want to try protect my daughters identity. But I'll share a snippet of her injuries...and these injuries are 5 days after the event. She was followed, thrown to the ground, held down and stamped and kicked on by two other girls until she was unconscious. I've only shown one eye, but both are equally as bad. Broken nose but thankfully no fractured skull. And what are the police doing? NOTHING, as it's their first offence. What are the school doing? NOTHING, as no other school will accept the two girls responsible, and it occurred just outside the school grounds. So, my daughter has now been out of school for 3 weeks whilst they continue to receive their education. The system stinks.

category12 · 13/10/2022 22:28

Teenaged violence is not new. Every generation seems aghast by the depravity of youth crime as if it never happened before or worse than ever before ("bring back national service!" etc etc).

This is awful but it doesn't mean society is collapsing.

woodhill · 13/10/2022 22:29

Georgeskitchen · 13/10/2022 20:31

Proper discipline at an early age I what is needed . I'm absolutely aghast at some of the posts on here about children assaulting their parents when they don't get what they want. IMO too many parents nowadays want to be their kids "mates".
All these kids are short of is a bloody good hiding and I make NO apologies for that statement.

Any hint of behaviour like this and my parents would have belted me from here to Kingdom.come and back again.
The old line will be trotted out "if you smack your kids they will turn out violent "
I think actually the complete opposite is true

Yes

Why are the kids so violent. The non smacking was meant to stop this surely

Mythreefavouritethings · 13/10/2022 22:54

Oh sweetheart, just horrific. The world can be hard enough for children to make sense of, particularly with autism, with which social anxiety is often present. I feel sad, sick and angry seeing these pictures, especially after reading about her new start at a different school. I hope she has all the love and support around her, and good friends who will offer their time and support to help her get back out there and build on all she had started. Part of me wished I hadn't clicked on this before sleep, but beyond the photos and all that this vile girl/gang did to her is a brave soul - may she feel all the warmth, sadness and anger her story brings.

Mythreefavouritethings · 13/10/2022 23:02

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 13/10/2022 22:28

I've name changed just to comment on this thread as sadly we're going through exactly the same thing and I want to try protect my daughters identity. But I'll share a snippet of her injuries...and these injuries are 5 days after the event. She was followed, thrown to the ground, held down and stamped and kicked on by two other girls until she was unconscious. I've only shown one eye, but both are equally as bad. Broken nose but thankfully no fractured skull. And what are the police doing? NOTHING, as it's their first offence. What are the school doing? NOTHING, as no other school will accept the two girls responsible, and it occurred just outside the school grounds. So, my daughter has now been out of school for 3 weeks whilst they continue to receive their education. The system stinks.

I don't know what to say to this other than my heart goes out to you. How does someone look at your little girl's face and come up with absolute tripe like 'first time'? I don't care if it's the first time or the 50th time, that is barbaric, and not some kind of 'playground skirmish'. My warmest wishes to you all, I have no words to convey my sadness at your poor girl's injuries, this is beyond shameful - may she know many wonderful people, places and experience in life ahead, free of the nasty, vacant mindset behind this. Absolutely scandalous hers is the education that has to suffer.

ArcaneWireless · 13/10/2022 23:03

@nothingmuchaboutjerry

I am so sorry to see your daughter’s injuries. My heart breaks for you. Not just for the injuries but the injustice of it all.

I’m afraid to say I read georgeskitchen’s post and feel I could almost have written it myself.

During covid our sleepy town was infiltrated by youths from neighbouring towns. A young lad threatened to slit my mouth to my ears when I had the cheek to raise an eyebrow at the stuff coming out of his mouth. Then make my genitals match. (He didn’t phrase it like that). His sweet looking little girlfriend then threatened to ‘hoof my head in’ or somesuch.

I’m the wrong side of 50. And I would no more have spoken to anyone like that let alone someone almost 40 years older.

They are now running round the place and are practically feral. And nothing is being done about it.

The difference between them and me is that I wouldn’t have dared to act like that. They don’t care because there are no consequences.

Until of course they pick on the wrong adult. And then you can bet their folks will be all over social media and the papers about a brute that hurt their precious innocent baby.

StClare101 · 13/10/2022 23:38

Completely absent and/or heavily in denial parents for the perpetrators.

Poor Abbie and her mum. I tested up when reading of the mum getting that phone call and desperately searching for her child.

Neverendingmindfuck · 14/10/2022 00:02

Something similar but not resulting in such traumatic injuries happened to my dgc last week 😡😭 they were led into the situation by a 'friend ' and we are now hearing there is video of the attack.
The school claim they can't intervene because it happened JUST outside school grounds.
The police have been no help either, claiming that the school should deal with it!
I would love to see my dgc in another school, happy and able to learn without fear.
That poor child Abby and her mother. I have every sympathy and hope that some sort of normal is restored soon.
The children have had such a shit few years, now they're back with their peers nothing has changed sadly. A small minority of horrible little gits spend their life trying to make others as miserable as they are.....
At 13 she's of an age of criminal responsibility, lots see what the courts decide.
I agree, ANYONE involved should receive the same. Filming, encouraging, sharing the footage. It's all incitement or aiding and abetting afaic 😡

BananaCocktails · 14/10/2022 00:06

That’s fucking sick I hope the girls parents I’ll take into task in some way as well I hope she gets the book thrown at her and a jail sentence in a young offenders

Changechangychange · 14/10/2022 00:13

Avidreader69 · 13/10/2022 20:22

100% agree with this. Today's children have 'rights' but no real consequences for bad behaviour. Parents are too soft to discipline their children. All children nowadays have a 'condition.' and need 'support.' They're never just naughty anymore.

The parents of kids like this are generally violent scumbags as well, not bleeding hearts. And there have always been scuzzy families like this, it just didn’t used to make the national news.

Blossomandbee · 14/10/2022 10:11

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 13/10/2022 22:28

I've name changed just to comment on this thread as sadly we're going through exactly the same thing and I want to try protect my daughters identity. But I'll share a snippet of her injuries...and these injuries are 5 days after the event. She was followed, thrown to the ground, held down and stamped and kicked on by two other girls until she was unconscious. I've only shown one eye, but both are equally as bad. Broken nose but thankfully no fractured skull. And what are the police doing? NOTHING, as it's their first offence. What are the school doing? NOTHING, as no other school will accept the two girls responsible, and it occurred just outside the school grounds. So, my daughter has now been out of school for 3 weeks whilst they continue to receive their education. The system stinks.

That's just horrific, I'm so sorry for your daughter.
I honestly don't know what I would do if it was one of mine.
The system is disgusting and needs to change. Could you write to your MP along with photos? I don't think I could accept so little being done.

nothingmuchaboutjerry · 14/10/2022 11:41

Thank you everyone for your kind comments and concerns. I know this wasn't the focus of the thread, and it's so sad to hear of other peoples children/grandchildren being in a similar position.

My main gripe is the lack of being able to do anything, as a parent. I can't just go round there and do to their mothers what they've done to my child. If I stamp on someone's head then surely it's attempted murder. Because they've not been prosecuted, the police have warned me that I could be done for slander if I shame them on social media.

I lay awake at night feeling so helpless. I've been called shallow by some of my friends for putting my job over my child. Yes, if I'm done for assault, I lose my job. And then who puts food on the table? So in my eyes, I AM protecting my child as I'm keeping her fed, clothed and watered by not losing my job. I cannot move her schools as they're all full. Even a managed move has failed to materialise...and even this winds me up that I'm having to look for a new school for MY daughter when she's done nothing wrong. Out of area schools are full, best we've been told is that we're 9th on the list. So as the two responsible are at school, it leaves my daughter at home, doing no work, literally living in limbo.