I Just tested positive for covid - can i fly to Spain for a work event on Sunday ?

[Munichfam5]

Can’t remember what the covid rules are now so any advice appreciated TIA

[momtoboys]

I think it is within guidelines to be able to fly Sunday. I'm going against the majority and saying yes, you should go. As long as you are following the set protocol I think it is OK. We have to base our decisions on something and using this rule would be appropriate

[Quveas]

@dementedpixie

Not everyone with covid has a fever

And not everyone with a fever has Covid either. Other things that cause fever are as dangerous as Covid, particularly where people are CEV. But nobody is screaming about not flying with flu, for example. The OP here may have the luxury of being able to say to their employer that they can't work (whether in Spain or the UK) because they are positive. Many people can't. And I would lay bets that planes, trains, buses and the local supermarket (for starters) have more then a few people who are either testing positive, not testing at all, or have no symptoms so don't know they need to test.

We need to get over the histrionics of screaming "you will kill someone" every time someone suggests getting on with life. Whether people like it or not, the new reality is that Covid has joined the list of things that we have to live with. It's a long list. Spending the next decade in lockdown is not an option, and many people can't afford to isolate even if they want to. Or did everyone miss the cost of living crisis, because SSP doesn't even cover the edge of an electricity bill?

[TenoringBehind]

Legally yes.
Morally no.

[FarmGirl78]

@Loungingstevens

@FarmGirl78 where did you have to show a clear test? Spain dropped that requirement a while ago. I haven’t had to show one in a while.
or have they reinstated it?!

also, no temperature sensors at Barcelona airport.

This was Allicante airport first week in September. My partners last jab was more than however many days ago so he needed a Fit to Fly certificate from a test taken within 24 hrs prior to landing. I was ok because in the NHS we get boosters really frequently and mine was recorded on my COVID travel cert on the NHS app. They will accept lateral flow tests rather than PCR send away ones. I'm more annoyed that muppet other half didn't make sure he was "fully vaccinated" by Spanish standards before we booked.

[EasterIssland]

yes you can, and yes im that selfish that i'd go. i'd put a face mask (ffp2) and go. if i have to go to work and do many other things on my day to day with covid then i can also continue with the rest of our life. if you'd not stay with a cold at home then i see no point of neither staying with covid at home after 2 years... wear a face mask properly and that will protect others from you

[PearlclutchersInc]

You tested positive today and want to fly on Sunday .....in a cigar tube rammed full of other people....

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/when-to-self-isolate-and-what-to-do/

The above might help (only took me a minute or so to find).

[Dalekjastninerels]

Don't do it.

You might be asymptomatic (as I was) but the person you infect could end up otherwise.

[Otterock]

I flew to a Spanish island last week and no one checked our covid passes or did any kind of checks. There were some people with cameras pointed at us as we entered the airport before getting our bags (taking temperatures?) but that was it.

You could probably fly if you wanted to but it would be morally wrong

[LaSevillana]

@MimosaSunrise

There's no evidence that those people had Covid - we've all had a cough and a cold before.

I get the impression that some posters think that going on a plane with a cold would also be unacceptably selfish (comment above about travelling with infectious illnesses), which just goes to show how attitudes to risk and what is a proportionate response have gone out of the window. Yes, as someone who gets terrible chest infections with cold and flu, it was lovely to have two years without colds, but we couldn’t live with the restrictions and uncertainty that came with that forever.

It is unacceptable to sit on a plane with an obvious cold in most of East Asia. They wear masks to protect others. You'd think that would catch on here, but no, people here are way too selfish. They'd rather infect a plane load of people than wear a mask on a two hour flight.

[theonlygirl]

@FarmGirl78

They have temperature sensors at Spanish airports that everyone has to walk past and pull people over who bleep.

I've just been to Spain. This did not happen.

[ClaudiaWankleman]

@LaSevillana

It is unacceptable to sit on a plane with an obvious cold in most of East Asia. They wear masks to protect others. You'd think that would catch on here, but no, people here are way too selfish. They'd rather infect a plane load of people than wear a mask on a two hour flight.

The reason people are wearing masks in East Asia isn't because of some benevolence or it being seen as culturally unacceptable - it's because there are very strict laws. Culturally, some people might wear masks but there are just as many people who cough without covering their mouth or spit on the floor.

[PatientlyWaiting21]

If you have been triple vaccinated yes you can go.

if not you need to show a negative PCR.

[YellowTreeHouse]

Of course you can, and there’s nothing wrong with doing so. Ignore all the dramatics on here.

[Bywayofanupdate]

Technically you can but its a shitty thing to do

[LaSevillana]

@theonlygirl

I've just been to Spain. This did not happen.

Perhaps you didn't notice? I've flown into three Spanish airports this year, in different regions of Spain. They all had temperature checks, whether random or for everyone.

[LaSevillana]

@ClaudiaWankleman

The reason people are wearing masks in East Asia isn't because of some benevolence or it being seen as culturally unacceptable - it's because there are very strict laws. Culturally, some people might wear masks but there are just as many people who cough without covering their mouth or spit on the floor.

There was no law whatsoever about masks on planes pre-covid. People just did it. It's socially unacceptable in countries like Japan or Korea to walk around coughing and spluttering. If you've got a cold, you wear a mask out of respect for everyone else. I have no idea why this isn't the norm here - it's far more hygienic and sensible. Likewise for people preparing and serving food - who wants someone's saliva in their meal?

[KeepOutingMyselfAnotherNameChange]

Well you could I suppose but I wouldn't personally.

[KeepOutingMyselfAnotherNameChange]

If you go op wear a mask atleast 🙈

[LizTrussIsACylon]

Lots of misinformation on this thread.

If you have been boosted OP, i.e. had three jabs, then the 270 day thing does not apply. The 270 day limit is only for people who have had two jabs. In that case, the second dose must not have been more than 270 days.

So to be clear, there is no "expiry" for those who have received a third booster.

There's no testing requirements as such, but you may be randomly selected to be tested for a test up to 48 hours after your arrival.

I'm always curious about people who say they mask up on planes etc. It has been proven time and time again that the vast, vast majority of people are infected within the home. I've always wondered if these people mask up when meeting with friends and family who could be unknowingly infectious, given that, statistically speaking, the risk is far higher. I guess it's human nature to ignore logic in favour of fear of strangers.

[PlinkPlonkFizz]

What selfishness! Utter selfishness.

[ClaudiaWankleman]

@LaSevillana

There was no law whatsoever about masks on planes pre-covid. People just did it. It's socially unacceptable in countries like Japan or Korea to walk around coughing and spluttering. If you've got a cold, you wear a mask out of respect for everyone else. I have no idea why this isn't the norm here - it's far more hygienic and sensible. Likewise for people preparing and serving food - who wants someone's saliva in their meal?

Ah so it's slipped from 'most of East Asia' to a couple of relatively small populations. I still dispute what you're saying though. Some people did, not everyone. I don't even think it's the majority. Most restaurant chefs in Japan aren't wearing masks either.

[LaSevillana]

@LizTrussIsACylon

Lots of misinformation on this thread.

If you have been boosted OP, i.e. had three jabs, then the 270 day thing does not apply. The 270 day limit is only for people who have had two jabs. In that case, the second dose must not have been more than 270 days.

So to be clear, there is no "expiry" for those who have received a third booster.

There's no testing requirements as such, but you may be randomly selected to be tested for a test up to 48 hours after your arrival.

I'm always curious about people who say they mask up on planes etc. It has been proven time and time again that the vast, vast majority of people are infected within the home. I've always wondered if these people mask up when meeting with friends and family who could be unknowingly infectious, given that, statistically speaking, the risk is far higher. I guess it's human nature to ignore logic in favour of fear of strangers.

You don't have to be Einstein to understand that a highly infectious respiratory virus can be transmitted easily between people in very close proximity. Most cases of Covid are caught in homes because most people spend the majority of their time at home and not on planes.

I live alone, so zero risk. I also work mostly from home. If I fly, I'm obviously taking a much bigger risk than I take in my everyday life purely because I'm around a bunch of people I wouldn't normally be around. If I invite a friend round for a glass of wine, I'm taking a chance regarding that one person being infected. If I sit in an enclosed space with 20+ strangers within two metres of me and many more in the general vicinity, that risk is now far higher. The more people around you, the higher the chances that one of them has got Covid. Not to mention that I don't have the kind of friends who would come round unmasked if they had cold/flu/covid symptoms or a positive test. I can't rely on strangers being that responsible. So for me, a plane is much higher risk than my home.

For someone who claims to know about logic, you don't seem to understand it very well.

[LaSevillana]

@ClaudiaWankleman

Ah so it's slipped from 'most of East Asia' to a couple of relatively small populations. I still dispute what you're saying though. Some people did, not everyone. I don't even think it's the majority. Most restaurant chefs in Japan aren't wearing masks either.

No, Japan and Korea are examples. Mask usage when obviously sick is common in most of the rest of East Asia as well. Especially now.

[Itstarts]

@Herejustforthisone

No one can possibly know when or how to why caught Covid. It’s incubation can be anything from three days to three weeks, with probably exceptions either side of that.

I have caught countless mild colds since the pandemic began. In the beginning, as per requirements, I tested for them all. Now I don’t and haven’t done for ages. I have one now. I don’t feel particularly unwell and I’m literally just treating it as I did ‘life with a cold pre-March-2020’, when no one would mask up or isolate for a
something like that.

Also I’m not buying tests any longer. If I felt shite with a fever then I would be a bit housebound anyway, but upon recovery I would resume life as normal.

Is that not the way of things for most people now?

In the real world yes.
On MN its still March 2020.

[MimosaSunrise]

It is unacceptable to sit on a plane with an obvious cold in most of East Asia. They wear masks to protect others. You'd think that would catch on here, but no, people here are way too selfish. They'd rather infect a plane load of people than wear a mask on a two hour flight.

I’ve no idea what is acceptable in East Asia, although I’m not sure if you’re talking about wearing a mask only or cancelling a trip altogether since I was talking about the latter. I think the practice of wearing a mask while infectious is a reasonable and proportionate one, but cancelling a big trip because of a mild cold? No, and I don’t believe people actually do this. This was the point I was making in response to a comment about the selfishness of flying when ill upthread - no mention of masks.

Also, it’s reasonable that the focus shifts to people wearing masks to protect themselves. I will be wearing an FFP 3 on my next flight because it lowers my chances of catching another stinking cold!