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To have told DH off for driving while wearing his work lanyard

282 replies

Sequinanddiamonds · 08/10/2022 10:32

this was yesterday! We have it drilled into us where I work that we should not wear our lanyards while driving as it’s dangerous, especially if you crash and the airbag is activated. DH says I’m “overreacting” and says his work don’t tell him anything like this. Aibu to have told him off and made him take the lanyard off?

OP posts:
gamerchick · 08/10/2022 13:23

Yeah I read something a whole back that if the airbag is activated it can embed the lanyard into your body. Just like if you travel with your feet up on the dash as a passenger and the airbag goes off, your knees crash into your face with some force..

People like to Pooh Pooh shit like that because they think it won't happen to them. I don't drive with it on.

ancientgran · 08/10/2022 13:25

seetzeros · 08/10/2022 12:17

@ancientgran ancientgran · Today 12:12
Swizandswap · Today 11:54
Surely buttons would be more dangerous as at 200 mph they'd go through you like a bullet. Let's ban buttons.

(1) yes, of course other items can be dangerous though I’m
yet to see a button of the same
size as a lanyard with sharp edges
(2) no one is talking about banning anything, simply suggest an easy behaviour change
(3) there isn’t an easy solution to buttons, there is an easy solution to the lanyard.

I think buttons could be worse, I've got a coat with nice metal buttons, I'm sure they could do more damage that a plastic ID card. The size makes the button more dangerous in my opinion as you'd need less force for a button to pierce you that a flat plastic id card. As to sharp edges, how about id cards with no sharp edges and softer plastic. Easy fix.

Of course there is an easy fix with buttons, wear things that you pull on.

VeridicalVagabond · 08/10/2022 13:25

Swizandswap · 08/10/2022 11:54

Love all the smart arsed answer towards the Op.

Air bags deploy at 200 mph, in order inflate faster than the collision. So if you think placing a hard object in-between your chest and the air bag inflating at this speed is funny crack on 😂.

After all this is natural selection at its finest.

Serious question. How do you get out of bed in the morning? The world must seem like such a dangerous place to you.

ancientgran · 08/10/2022 13:27

hesbeingabitofadick · 08/10/2022 12:14

What about underwired bras?
Surely they'd cut you in half...Shock

Good point. Particularly those ones that go rogue and break free of the fabric, curl up and attack you. I've had a few of those.

NotMeNoNo · 08/10/2022 13:28

I think this is one of those faux alarmist safety moments doing the rounds. Safety supervisors are sometimes not critical enough of what they read in social media and then it gets put in someones company newsletter and appears official.
I had to explain to our safety team that the "alcohol hand sanitizer sunlight fire" one was almost certainly fake.

Appreciate a PP had a similar injury but it's one of those "don't trip over the wet floor sign" situations where a safety feature (airbag) has created a rare additional hazard.

gamerchick · 08/10/2022 13:31

cakeorwine · 08/10/2022 11:59

How many people have died or been seriously injured from lanyard induced air bag injuries?

Dunno about you but my google throws up news articles of people been seriously injured because of wearing their lanyard in a crash. Maybe your google is broken.

Dguu6u · 08/10/2022 13:31

Once again mumsnet is showing its stupidity. You have been told of examples where people got seriously hurt by their lanyards. You don't care, fine, until you're crying in hospital with a punctured lung.

cakeorwine · 08/10/2022 13:33

There are lots of things we do in everyday life, at work, and at home where there is risk of accident / increased risk of injury if we don't take precautions. I can think of lots at our work and at home.

People should be reminded but it does seem a bit strange to have companies hammering home this particular message regularly and not hammering home other messages to reduce risk.

Is it because this risk is an easy one to fix?
And other risks are too difficult for a company to fix / reduce, even though they could be more likely and potentially more dangerous?

VeridicalVagabond · 08/10/2022 13:34

Dguu6u · 08/10/2022 13:14

People are so ignorant. I get that it's something not everyone may be aware of, but then to be told about it and completely dismiss it? No it's not the same as a 'chunky necklace' unless that necklace contains a hard, plastic case that hangs right where your soft tissue is under your ribs. The risk comes from that being pushed into you when the airbag goes off.

And @cakeorwine did you seriously just state that seat belts are dangerous when driving? I have heard it all now.

Just take the bloody lanyard off, job done.

Yes dear.

Fairly well known fact that seatbelts can cause serious injury. They prevent death, but not without damage. Funny you're accusing people of being ignorant while making an ignorant comment yourself. Did you think they were magic and just prevent all injury?

Dguu6u · 08/10/2022 13:35

Well yes easy to fix and also because it's the companies who make you wear lanyards, so they are responsible for pointing out the accidents that have happened because of them

Dguu6u · 08/10/2022 13:40

VeridicalVagabond · 08/10/2022 13:34

Yes dear.

Fairly well known fact that seatbelts can cause serious injury. They prevent death, but not without damage. Funny you're accusing people of being ignorant while making an ignorant comment yourself. Did you think they were magic and just prevent all injury?

Seat belts don't cause injury, they prevent greater injury because they are stopping you from flying out of your seat. Just like an airbag. It's not the same as having something on you that can cause injury while you can just take it off to prevent all risk of being hurt, is it? Trying to be condescending while you don't really understand reasoning is quite sad, so maybe just step away from mumsnet and count your losses.

cakeorwine · 08/10/2022 13:42

Seat belts don't cause injury, they prevent greater injury because they are stopping you from flying out of your sea

My reference to seat belts was making sure you wear them

C8H10N4O2 · 08/10/2022 13:44

seetzeros · 08/10/2022 12:55

*This is again, a report of a report with no actual details and no link to any actual data.

Every link provided so far refer to the same two stories (in one of which it wasn't the lanyard, it was keys claimed to cause the injury).*

If the proposition was to change the law, ban lanyards or to take some other form of strong action, then yes, lots of data might be required. There IS evidence at the incident level (see also the op on here who mentions her experience), the causal mechanism makes sense and the adjustment suggested (remove lanyard) is minor, so issuing guidance/advice seems entirely proportionate to the size of the problem and the weight of the evidence provided.

What evidence? The weight of evidence provided here is basically zero. Its a rehases of a report of a report of one incident. Nobody has been able to describe what happened in that incident, what type of lanyard was in use etc etc and there are many different shapes and sizes.

I'm not remotely surprised that employers are issuing H&S guidance to cover their arses when so many people accept FOAF stories as "evidence".

It also undermines H&S initiatives to litter them with exhortations to remove a risk which at best is tiny and in reality is not proven (unless someone can provide the magic link to actual data).

LuffleGro · 08/10/2022 13:44

TroysMammy · 08/10/2022 11:31

I never wear a big plastic hair clip to hold up my hair when driving just in case during an accident it could cause damage to my head but that's my thought, nothing I've read.

My sister took the piss out of me when I told her I always take the key out of the door just in case my DP needed CPR and I would have to stop to let Paramedics in when they could use the key in the key safe box to gain access.

I can't help being the sensible one.

Surely it would be quicker for you to turn the key in the door than for you to tell them the key is in the safe, how to open the safe, and then for them to actually get the key out and put it in the door and use it?!

VeridicalVagabond · 08/10/2022 13:44

Dguu6u · 08/10/2022 13:40

Seat belts don't cause injury, they prevent greater injury because they are stopping you from flying out of your seat. Just like an airbag. It's not the same as having something on you that can cause injury while you can just take it off to prevent all risk of being hurt, is it? Trying to be condescending while you don't really understand reasoning is quite sad, so maybe just step away from mumsnet and count your losses.

So those bruises and broken ribs were what? Paint? How are they not injuries. You literally scoffed at the idea that seatbelts can be dangerous, I showed you an example of injuries caused by seatbelts and your response is... Seatbelts don't cause injuries?

Ok.

TellMeWhere · 08/10/2022 13:52

I drive wearing glasses, so I think I've got bigger things to worry about.

Mascia · 08/10/2022 14:07

dampgreg · 08/10/2022 10:40

I'd never heard of this, but why didn't you have a conversation like the adults you presumably are. You don't get to tell him off like a child

This.

Herejustforthisone · 08/10/2022 14:14

I feel like this is not a real risk.

Hbh17 · 08/10/2022 14:15

Whether or not it us dangerous is irrelevant. Your husband is a competent adult, able to drive, and thus can make his own decisions. I'm not sure why a spouse would think it's OK to tell him what to do and "make him" remove the lanyard.

Youdoyoutoday · 08/10/2022 14:20

Don't tell adults off! That's weird and disrespectful!

However you've convinced me not to wear one whilst driving after reading about the nurse with the perforated bowels 😱

SleeplessInEngland · 08/10/2022 14:20

YABVU

SlowingDownAndDown · 08/10/2022 14:22

In my experience it’s only on Mumsnet that adults don’t or shouldn’t tell each other off.

Beees · 08/10/2022 14:30

SlowingDownAndDown · 08/10/2022 14:22

In my experience it’s only on Mumsnet that adults don’t or shouldn’t tell each other off.

Yeah this is not a mumsnet thing at all. If any of my friends or colleagues told me they had told their partner off because they did something so inconsequential then I would be raising my eyebrows at them. This is another adult you're not their parent for goodness sake.

By all means moan they don't take the bins out or listen when you ask them to buy some milk on their way home but no it's absolutely not normal to tell another adult off.

girlmom21 · 08/10/2022 14:39

SlowingDownAndDown · 08/10/2022 14:22

In my experience it’s only on Mumsnet that adults don’t or shouldn’t tell each other off.

If another adult told me off I'd tell them where to go.

Fairislefandango · 08/10/2022 14:51

After all this is natural selection at its finest.

It's not though, is it? How many actual cases of this happening do you really think there are? How many of those cases would be fatal specifically because of the lanyard rather than the general severity of the accident?

A total health and safety nerd could no doubt follow anyone around for a week and tell them about 10,000 things they could change in order to fractionally decrease their risk of injury. Who on earth has the time and headspace for that?

I sometimes take my lanyard off before driving and sometimes don't. I might be slightly more likely to bother taking it off now, if I remember. But telling another adult off for not doing it is bloody ridiculous and infantilising!

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