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To have mixed feelings about Miranda Hughes

96 replies

DappledYork · 05/10/2022 11:03

She worked for the NHS, now works for a private company and on the Jeremy Vine television show declared that Conservative voters shouldn't be resuscitated

It's all over the news and she may lose her current job.

I understand that she was frustrated as a nurse but , on the other hand, my parents vote Conservative and I wouldn't like to think that a nurse might decide not to help them because of their political views.

It has made me think that for her to voice that thought publicly, she must know that she's not the only one with those views and it worries me,.

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MsPincher · 05/10/2022 21:56

IllDoItButOnlyForTheAttention · 05/10/2022 16:38

Yes, this is the result of the frankly stupid "all Tory voters are evil horrible nasty scum" narrative that seems to have become acceptable.

It's part of a larger ingroup/outgroup / demonising pattern that I find sickening.

The comment is hideous not because anyone actually thinks she WOULD stand by and let someone die, but because it's bringing into normal discourse the idea that there are some people who have such bad and wrong opinions that they are less human than the rest of us. It's sick and stupid.

This. I’m sick of aggression towards those who have different opinions. We should be able to discuss things without demonisation and aggression.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 05/10/2022 22:15

I don't think that all Tory voters are evil scum. I do think they're either selfish or ignorant. And in some cases, both.

It isn't about demonising people who think differently to me, but it is about recognising that, if they actually understand what they're voting for, then their values are fundamentally incompatible to mine.

I am perfectly happy to have a civilised conversation with anyone. I don't think aggression gets you anywhere in any case, and I actually find it quite interesting to talk to people who hold reasonable views that are very different to my own. However, I'm not going to pretend that I think all views are equally valid because I don't believe that they are.

Tory governments consistently make life more difficult for the most vulnerable in our society. Either people don't know that, in which case, they are pretty ignorant. Or they don't care, in which case they're pretty selfish. I can't pretend to respect those who choose to vote for this stuff. I absolutely respect their right to have their own opinions, but I despise the particular opinions that they have chosen to adopt.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 05/10/2022 22:59

Gymrabbit · 05/10/2022 19:21

Whatiswrongwithmyknee

Do you also think that everyone who voted for Blair should be shunned and considered murderers due to the amount of Iraqis who died because of him?

What a bizarre comment. I did not suggest shunning or calling tory voters murderers. Your analogy is not a true equivalent though I do it defend the Labour decision for their actions in Iraq and don't trust the information provided by any politician, it is not the same as decade's of robust data showing how our health system compares to other similar nations.

Lunabun · 05/10/2022 23:03

Has someone beat me to the obligatory right wing snowflakes observation?

Avrenim · 05/10/2022 23:11

She'll be dealing with way more Tories in private healthcare than she ever did in the NHS.

However, private healthcare doesn't HAVE A&E, they mainly take elective and cosmetic surgery and non-chronic conditions that aren't all that expensive to treat, as we're all about to find out in the next 3 to 5 years.

If you'd like to see what lies ahead, take a look at the US healthcare system.

And start saving.

Oh, and pray you never need actual life-saving treatment.

QuietQuietBang · 05/10/2022 23:13

Topgub · 05/10/2022 11:17

Of course its not worrying

For gods sake.

Do you genuinely think a health care professional would let how a person votes affect their treatment?

How would they even know the pts politics?

If they are left-wing, then yes. There are quite a few on the left who seem to feel that Conservatives don’t deserve the same human rights as others.

Georgeskitchen · 05/10/2022 23:28

The NHS is a massive money pit. It isn't underfunded it's just incredibly badly managed.
There seems to be plenty of money "diversity and inclusion" managers on eye-watering salaries, diversity courses, LGBTQ+ picnics , how about they spend some of that money on actual patient care instead?

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/10/2022 23:39

AutumnCrow · 05/10/2022 13:31

Loads of men are crowing on Twitter about 'reporting' her to her regulatory body to try to get her deregistered (and thus sacked, and made unemployable as a nurse). The other online content of many of these men that I can see comes across as being rather incel-heavy.

You know, I suspect Miranda's actual crime in their eyes isn't really misspeaking in public (for which she has said she was wrong, and on which she has backtracked). It's that's she's a cat lady and doesn't try to look like a wannabe Kardashian.

That does not surprise me in the least. Woman speaks her mind and is met with "cancel her" and burn fire the witch.🙁

beastlyslumber · 05/10/2022 23:45

What a horrible thing to say. She sounds like a very unpleasant person indeed and entirely unsuited to working in healthcare.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 05/10/2022 23:48

Georgeskitchen · 05/10/2022 23:28

The NHS is a massive money pit. It isn't underfunded it's just incredibly badly managed.
There seems to be plenty of money "diversity and inclusion" managers on eye-watering salaries, diversity courses, LGBTQ+ picnics , how about they spend some of that money on actual patient care instead?

Do you think diversity and inclusion does not matter? Or do you think it should happen automatically? Or that it should be done by someone junior? If you think it needs addressing, what salary would you attach to such a post and what responsibilities?

lemmein · 06/10/2022 01:20

If they are left-wing, then yes. There are quite a few on the left who seem to feel that Conservatives don’t deserve the same human rights as others.

The irony 🤦🏻‍♀️

MsPincher · 06/10/2022 06:55

lemmein · 06/10/2022 01:20

If they are left-wing, then yes. There are quite a few on the left who seem to feel that Conservatives don’t deserve the same human rights as others.

The irony 🤦🏻‍♀️

How is that ironic? I’m not a Tory (although wouldn’t matter if I was) but the idea that someone would be left to die because of their political opinion or voting pattern is utterly abhorrent to me. It doesn’t matter what someone political beliefs are- they have no less right to life than anyone else. Freedom of speech applies to all speech even if it’s not your opinion.

beastlyslumber · 06/10/2022 07:26

MsPincher · 06/10/2022 06:55

How is that ironic? I’m not a Tory (although wouldn’t matter if I was) but the idea that someone would be left to die because of their political opinion or voting pattern is utterly abhorrent to me. It doesn’t matter what someone political beliefs are- they have no less right to life than anyone else. Freedom of speech applies to all speech even if it’s not your opinion.

Well said.

GailForce10 · 06/10/2022 07:27

I mean, she is only advocating murder and those cruel members of the press are being rude to her.

GailForce10 · 06/10/2022 07:32

Ah so it's all the fault of evil men. This reply rather betrays your mindset.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 06/10/2022 08:33

She said something very stupid on television, bringing her employer a private hospital into disrepute (would have been something in her contract along those lines)

lots of us in hospitality, retail, accountancy etc etc would get into trouble and potentially lose our jobs if we did similar

her employer is well within its rights to sack her but hopefully she will be able to get a new job very quickly as I’m sure she is very well trained

but I really don’t think i need to worry about my dad not be resuscitated on the nhs, I’ll pop his daily mail into a guardian cover just to make sure

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2022 08:40

Georgeskitchen

100%
There’s always money to hire someone to ensure lgbt ++++++ people feel
included or buy rainbow badges. It wouldn’t be so bad if the diversity money was actually spent on something useful like finding out why black mothers are more likely to die for example.
the other rams I’ve issue is that what the NHS is expected to do has increased with wonderful new inventions and treatments which cost loads to carry out….

thecatsthecats · 06/10/2022 08:49

It's called dehumanising, and it is just yet another disturbingly polarised attitude you see in society these days.

It's all part of normalising not giving a shit about other people based on a single category about them. There are ten recognised steps on the path to genocide, which can also apply to socio-cultural breakdown and conflicts of other kinds. Britain has always flirted with the first four, but it's becoming ever more prevalent.

How the fuck are we supposed to get out of this mess if we see people who made a particular voting decision three years ago as undeserving of life?

Liila · 06/10/2022 08:53

She's not the brightest is she.

Imagine if someone said to her obese people don't deserve to be resuscitated as they bring it on themselves.

HCPs are there to look after people, not judge them.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 06/10/2022 09:27

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2022 08:40

Georgeskitchen

100%
There’s always money to hire someone to ensure lgbt ++++++ people feel
included or buy rainbow badges. It wouldn’t be so bad if the diversity money was actually spent on something useful like finding out why black mothers are more likely to die for example.
the other rams I’ve issue is that what the NHS is expected to do has increased with wonderful new inventions and treatments which cost loads to carry out….

Some of the diversity money has been spent on things like finding out that black women are more likely to die and that black people are disproportionately at the lower pay scales. First we get that data, then comes figuring out the cause and the solution. The amount spent on diversity is a tiny percentage of the budget. If all the diversity budget were obliterated it would not in any way solve the under funding issues.

derxa · 06/10/2022 09:34

She's a gobby attention seeker.

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