To have mixed feelings about Miranda Hughes

[DappledYork]

She worked for the NHS, now works for a private company and on the Jeremy Vine television show declared that Conservative voters shouldn't be resuscitated

It's all over the news and she may lose her current job.

I understand that she was frustrated as a nurse but , on the other hand, my parents vote Conservative and I wouldn't like to think that a nurse might decide not to help them because of their political views.

It has made me think that for her to voice that thought publicly, she must know that she's not the only one with those views and it worries me,.

Ok change what she said to Black, Gay, Trans, Muslim, sex worker or child of a tory voter, still happy with what she said ? She deserves to lose her registration.

I don't think we can afford to lose anymore nurses @slowquickstep. Tory voter is not a protected characteristic.

Having a chuckle at how snowflakey some of the responses have been.

She doesn't work for the NHS, she choose to leave and work in the private sector.

Surely people should be angrier att MPs suggesting an insurance system for the NHS.

Us plebs arguing about än angry nurse on telly is pointless. Get angry at a calm thoughtful MP who actually has far more power to deny us health care in the future.

Absolutely disgusted with what she said. It reminded me of Esther Rantzen saying that the unvaccinated should die of heart attacks and strokes at home and not go to hospital. Nurse training should never have been taken out of hospitals and in to universities. Wards were much better staffed when wards had a mixture of Staff Nurses, Enrolled Nurses, Nursing Auxiliaries and Student Nurses.

Loads of men are crowing on Twitter about 'reporting' her to her regulatory body to try to get her deregistered (and thus sacked, and made unemployable as a nurse). The other online content of many of these men that I can see comes across as being rather incel-heavy.

You know, I suspect Miranda's actual crime in their eyes isn't really misspeaking in public (for which she has said she was wrong, and on which she has backtracked). It's that's she's a cat lady and doesn't try to look like a wannabe Kardashian.

@GreyhairedHobbit student nurses spend 2300 hours on placement. What makes you think they have been taken out of hospitals?

@GreyhairedHobbit you are talking bollocks. Nurse training is still in hospitals. I'm working with one every shift for the next 5 weeks 🙄
Whoever would want to make a profession less educated ? And if we take it back to what it was does that mean that docs will be doing IV meds, taking blood and ECGs, and cannulating because that's not nursing ? Or we'll no longer have nurse specialists in stoma care, tissue viability or respiratory conditions ?

@DappledYork
This is what she actually said metro.co.uk/2022/10/05/nhs-nurse-who-said-tory-voters-dont-deserve-to-be-resuscitated-to-be-sacked-17506948

There is no need to be so abusive. I can only apologise I was under the impression that student nurses did placements from university now, rather than the schools of nursing being with in the hospital. I have nothing against advancing the roles of nurses with cannulation, intravenous drugs, ECGs etc. They are important skills for nurses to have. Where did I ever say I wanted nurses less educated?

I understood that nurse training was university based now and students did placements on the wards rather than the schools of nursing being within the hospitals.

I think she's being harshly judged.
Everyone working for the NHS has a political opinion. They just don't say it out loud. There are lots of people who voted for Brexit while working with foreign nurses and doctors. The NHS is staffed by 44% foreign nationals.

There lots of people who walk into A+E everyday drunk etc - everyone is thinking the same thing but they get good care anyway. There are lots of obese, smokers, etc who all still receive good service when they attend regardless of this.

On the other hand there are healthcare workers who are members of the BNP - it's their right . . . should they be banned from working for the NHS? As long as they aren't denying care to patients or committing crimes then . . . .

@GreyhairedHobbit many Unis have moved a campus into hospitals.

So take a nursing facility of my youth "St Barts" it is now in the back of the Royal London Hospital at Whitechapel as part of School of Health Sciences, City, University of London. Which covers nursing (child, adult and mental health), midwifery, health management, research and policy, speech, language and communication therapy and science diagnostic radiography, therapeutic radiography, ultrasound and optometry.

Some places will use more of the conventional Uni facilities because not all hospitals have lecture theatres. All nurse training is very closely tied with hospitals, as the students have to do enormous amounts of placements. The concept was to raise and standardise the quality of nurses.

This is mine and my mum's opinion she was a nurse and thinks it ludicrous that she would need a degree. My granny was a nurse during the blitz in London no degree needed then.

Life expectancy has gone up 18 years since then. We can treat cancer, save premature babies, replace organs. Heck, we even have antibiotics. Life has changed almost beyond recognition.

@PestorPeston Thank you for that. I am glad there is more onsite training now. Initially with the Project 2000 training, which was then diploma based, nursing was moved out of hospitals and it was 6months before a student nurse came on to a ward. All Staff Nurses were then automatically given level 2 diploma status and Enrolled Nurses did a diploma conversion course to become Staff Nurses. This was a few decades ago now! I was a Senior Staff Nurse specialising in Colposcopy back then. We certainly noticed a drop in feet on the wards and the Auxiliaries all had training to become Health Care Assistants rather than unqualified helpers.

Op you sound a bit unhinged. You seriously think that when patients are admitted to hospital they are asked which way they vote! And their treatment is then determined according to that 😁 And oooh better not lie because the nurses will spot your daily paper!

Come on, the truth is you got offended didn’t you?? Well you are welcome to be offended, but don’t start whipping up hatred and lies about this woman and about NHS staff in general.

"declared that Conservative voters shouldn't be resuscitated"

She actually said that tory voters dont deserve to be resuscitated by the NHS

I don't disagree tbf

My mum is an excellent nurse and votes conservative. She’s worked for the nhs since she was 16. She has dealt with so much crap from patients over the years, been spat at, been racially abused, been abused for being a women etc etc. she’s had to treat people I know she didn’t want to be in the same room as let alone touch because of the nature of the crimes committed by said patient. She agrees nhs should not discriminate against anyone and everyone should receive fair equal treatment doesn’t matter who they are. That’s what makes her s great nurse. She votes conservative because she thinks Labour are worse and Con kind of the slightly lesser of the two evils. People talking about conservatives like they’re bloody Nazis or child killers is ridiculous! You cannot class all voters of any party as the same. Realise there is very little choice in regards to political parties out there to vote for! Labour probably will get in next time so let’s see if they are any better…?

Excellent post. I am sick to death of being insulted for my political views. I gave 25 years to the NHS, many many hours without pay staying behind to cover shifts or look after a poorly patient. I now give my time to the most vulnerable in society but because I vote Tory I am a Nazi and deserve to be left to die according to some people.

My patients don't know how I vote, I don't know how they vote...even if I did, we don't judge- smokers/ drug takers/ obese / anti vaxxers etc
we also have to look after murderers, paedophiles ,rapists....and give them to same care as anyone else.
I know that nusres get an awful bashing, but most of us are professionals....

@justasking111

Do you think its a possibility that nursing has moved on in the last 80 years?

@GreyhairedHobbit @Kentgirl2525

How anyonewho works for the nhs or claims to care about the welfare of others could vote tory is beyond me.

Even if there was no other available political party, I still wouldnt vote for them.

@Topgub I do not feel that there is any need to be so personally insulting to myself and@Kentgirl2525 ! I chose nursing as a vocation and it was a job I loved. How dare you insult my career choice. You know nothing about me.

Liz Truss, this morning, promises everyone will be able to get a GP appointment within 2 weeks - as if this is good news.
Under the last Labour government the target was 48 hours. And they met that.

This is what people are objecting to under the Tories. In the last twelve years they have not maintained or improved NHS standards.