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Not to share out Premium Bond winnings?

144 replies

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 13:52

A few months ago, my 2 DCs and I each inherited a five-figure sum of money from my grandmother. I've put the money into Premium Bonds (in the UK). To be clear: there are three accounts, each with an equal amount of money in. One is mine, one is DC1s and one is DC2s. For those who might not know, Premium Bonds pay out monthly prizes instead of interest. Prizes start at £25 and there are two monthly jackpots of £1m.

So far, we all tend to win something every month, which is great! Given the nature of Premium Bonds, we are winning different amounts each month. The money is paid out into savings accounts, not reinvested in more bonds.

DH and I were chatting about this at the weekend. (DH is DF to the DCs.) DH thinks I should be splitting the winnings equally between us each month rather than letting one child win/earn more than the other. He thinks both DCs should be treated equally and that all winnings should come to me, and I give a third to each DC. On the face of it, this seems fair and the obvious thing to do. The winnings seem to even out over time, but for example this month DC2 has won four prizes but DC1 has won none.

However, I thought about it a bit more and I'm not so sure this is the right thing to do. My Premium Bonds are in my name, DC1s in their name and DC2s in their name. I don't think I have the right to have DCs winnings paid into my account and to redistribute them according to how I see fit. I think it could technically be theft unless the DCs consented to this arrangement. DCs are 14 and 11, so arguably have the capacity to do so, but you could also say that it's coercion. This is more of a legal point.

My second reservation is more moral. It doesn't feel so important to me with smaller winnings, but what if one of us wins the £1m jackpot? It sounds awful, but if I won £1m I wouldn't necessarily want to split it three ways with my kids right now, and I think if I were to die within 7 years there would be IHT implications (as the money would have been a gift from me). At this stage in my life I would want DH to inherit, and he would take care of the DC. But then what if one child won £1m? I wouldn't expect a share, but how awful would it be to have one millionaire DC and one with "just" a uni fund? This sounds like such a first world problem and likely to remain hypothetical, but I now feel that I need to come to some agreement with the DCs on how (if at all) we split the winnings. And how long should this arrangement last? Forever, or until turning 18, or until we agree to end it? What if DC2 (11) agrees to split £1m now, but as an adult thinks that in hindsight they didn't have the mental capacity to make this decision and we have a big family fallout?

On balance, I think each of us should just keep their own winnings. AIBU?

OP posts:
JudithHarper · 04/10/2022 13:55

Each should keep their own winnings.

strawberry2017 · 04/10/2022 13:59

Keep your own winnings.
Simple.
You wouldn't split interest from a savings account so why should you split the winnings.

BarbaraofSeville · 04/10/2022 14:00

I disagree, I would share. Some time ago a Mumsnetter said one of her DC had won a very significant amount on the premium bonds and she told them that one of them had won, and she wasn't going to say which, and they had the choice of sharing the money, or it going to the winner with the other getting nothing.

So they had the choice of a guaranteed amount X or a 50% chance of being given nothing while their sibling received 2X, or receiving 2X while their sibling received nothing.

I think that was the right way to deal with it.

NoseyNellie · 04/10/2022 14:02

speak to the kids and discuss them splitting the winnings - we did this when I was a child, hand written agreement, probably not legally binding but Dad held all the accounts and divided the winnings for us.

However, given rising interest rates I would suggest thinking about making more informed choices regarding investment - yes there is a slim chance of a big win but the difference between equivalent aggregate winnings vs a good interest rate in a savings bond or high rate savings accounts is getting bigger by the week and I actually think the value of your money will go down in real terms unless you keep up with inflation - you’ve got a good opportunity here to set your kids up for a v good start on the housing ladder if you make the money work for you now

luxxlisbon · 04/10/2022 14:03

I agree with your DH, I don’t think it’s fair to give a savings account to each child with different amounts. It doesn’t need to be moved about now but before the money passes over to their control I would split it evenly between them.
Surely this would be what most people would do?
So if one child’s account won £25 and the other won £1M, through no actions of their own, you would just say tough luck to the child who didn’t win more?

Zampa · 04/10/2022 14:03

I would split any winnings between the children equally (maybe once every 3 months if there was a significant difference or every 12 if it was there or thereabouts) but not any prizes in my own name.

PuttingDownRoots · 04/10/2022 14:04

I'd split anything big the kids won in half for them. But not worry about little things.

mynameiscalypso · 04/10/2022 14:05

Personally, I'd change it so that their winnings are reinvested in more premium bonds and then you can top up in the longer term if needed.

AtrociousCircumstance · 04/10/2022 14:06

Kids winnings are shared between the two of them. Keep yours.

Don’t find yourself in a situation where one child is getting more than the other. You will fuck up their relationship.

TheNoodlesIncident · 04/10/2022 14:06

Have you maxed out on the number of Bonds you each have? DH and I have, DS has not because his GPs buy him more for Christmas and birthdays. So when we win something (which is most months) the winnings are paid into a nominated account for DH and I, but reinvested in DS's.

In your case, if you can't reinvest you should definitely talk to the DCs themselves to find out what they want to do with winnings. They might want to keep their own, they might be happy to have a separate bank account for both their winnings to go into, and split it evenly at the end of the year until they are eighteen (for example). You should really talk about what they want should one of them win a much bigger prize. Keep yours separate, you're an adult and they aren't yet.

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 14:08

We have winnings go back into premium bonds. Who ever wins gets the winnings! It's a competition between us all and results day (today!) is always fun!

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 14:08

Saying that, none of us have won more than £100. If it was significant, it might be different.

TheNoodlesIncident · 04/10/2022 14:09

BarbaraofSeville · 04/10/2022 14:00

I disagree, I would share. Some time ago a Mumsnetter said one of her DC had won a very significant amount on the premium bonds and she told them that one of them had won, and she wasn't going to say which, and they had the choice of sharing the money, or it going to the winner with the other getting nothing.

So they had the choice of a guaranteed amount X or a 50% chance of being given nothing while their sibling received 2X, or receiving 2X while their sibling received nothing.

I think that was the right way to deal with it.

That's such a good idea for big wins...

Ihatethenewlook · 04/10/2022 14:10

I’d split. I couldn’t begin to imagine the upset it would cause if one sibling had nothing and one was potentially a millionaire. It could fuck them up for their entire life.

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2022 14:12

You’ve made a poor choice of investment for your DC. Basically, its gambling with their money - although you don’t lose any!
Their money should be invested in a long term account that generates guaranteed interest. The odds of them winning the jackpot if they hold £10,000 worth of PBs is 1 in 595,627,735 which is pretty impossible.
I suggest you leave maybe £1,000 each in PBs and look at something more beneficial in the long term. As you’ve already noted, how would you feel if one DC won £1million and the the other didn’t? that would be extremely divisive.

Notjusta · 04/10/2022 14:13

Zampa · 04/10/2022 14:03

I would split any winnings between the children equally (maybe once every 3 months if there was a significant difference or every 12 if it was there or thereabouts) but not any prizes in my own name.

I think I agree with this. What you win is yours and what your DC win, for now, is split equally between them. Once one turns 18 they keep their winnings.

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 14:16

@Soontobe60 We invested in premium bonds on advice of a trust fund guru friend. Over 5 years, even only having relatively small wins, we're getting quite above the best interest rates for our capital amount.

Scrumhalf · 04/10/2022 14:16

mynameiscalypso · 04/10/2022 14:05

Personally, I'd change it so that their winnings are reinvested in more premium bonds and then you can top up in the longer term if needed.

This is what I would do. Everyone has their own fund and all winnings are reinvested.

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 14:16

Trust fund? I meant hedge fund sorry

PorkPieForStarters · 04/10/2022 14:17

TheNoodlesIncident · 04/10/2022 14:06

Have you maxed out on the number of Bonds you each have? DH and I have, DS has not because his GPs buy him more for Christmas and birthdays. So when we win something (which is most months) the winnings are paid into a nominated account for DH and I, but reinvested in DS's.

In your case, if you can't reinvest you should definitely talk to the DCs themselves to find out what they want to do with winnings. They might want to keep their own, they might be happy to have a separate bank account for both their winnings to go into, and split it evenly at the end of the year until they are eighteen (for example). You should really talk about what they want should one of them win a much bigger prize. Keep yours separate, you're an adult and they aren't yet.

I really like the suggestion of a separate bank account for their winnings to go into, then get split evenly. It makes it something they can both benefit from and get excited about together.

Legally, I don't know whether OP would need to document their consent since they're both under 18 - perhaps that's the bit she'd need to look into. They could reassess when DC1 reaches 18.

Funkyslippers · 04/10/2022 14:17

Just to say, you would be allowed to take out their money from National Savings, as children under 16 cannot buy PBs of their own so you must have set up the accounts in their names but linked to your account. That's what I did with my DD

Zilla1 · 04/10/2022 14:18

FWIW, if the premium bonds are in DC's names then I don't think you have the right to expropriate one child's winnings and gift it to another. It remains their property.

Zilla1 · 04/10/2022 14:19

though have just skimmed and think I'm wrong.

HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime · 04/10/2022 14:19

I suppose another way to look at it is if they had acquired the money in a different way.

If one of your children were an actor and had earnings that you invested into Premium Bonds for their future what would you do with any winnings then? Would you see it as theirs because they had earnt it? What about the sacrifices the other sibling might have made so the other sibling could act? Would you share it between siblings? If your children wouldnt have any access to each others money in that scenario then they shouldn't with the inheritance.

Or maybe that just complicates matters.

ArcticSkewer · 04/10/2022 14:21

My plan with the kids is to even it out so they each get the same when I hand the accounts over to them