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Not to share out Premium Bond winnings?

144 replies

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 13:52

A few months ago, my 2 DCs and I each inherited a five-figure sum of money from my grandmother. I've put the money into Premium Bonds (in the UK). To be clear: there are three accounts, each with an equal amount of money in. One is mine, one is DC1s and one is DC2s. For those who might not know, Premium Bonds pay out monthly prizes instead of interest. Prizes start at £25 and there are two monthly jackpots of £1m.

So far, we all tend to win something every month, which is great! Given the nature of Premium Bonds, we are winning different amounts each month. The money is paid out into savings accounts, not reinvested in more bonds.

DH and I were chatting about this at the weekend. (DH is DF to the DCs.) DH thinks I should be splitting the winnings equally between us each month rather than letting one child win/earn more than the other. He thinks both DCs should be treated equally and that all winnings should come to me, and I give a third to each DC. On the face of it, this seems fair and the obvious thing to do. The winnings seem to even out over time, but for example this month DC2 has won four prizes but DC1 has won none.

However, I thought about it a bit more and I'm not so sure this is the right thing to do. My Premium Bonds are in my name, DC1s in their name and DC2s in their name. I don't think I have the right to have DCs winnings paid into my account and to redistribute them according to how I see fit. I think it could technically be theft unless the DCs consented to this arrangement. DCs are 14 and 11, so arguably have the capacity to do so, but you could also say that it's coercion. This is more of a legal point.

My second reservation is more moral. It doesn't feel so important to me with smaller winnings, but what if one of us wins the £1m jackpot? It sounds awful, but if I won £1m I wouldn't necessarily want to split it three ways with my kids right now, and I think if I were to die within 7 years there would be IHT implications (as the money would have been a gift from me). At this stage in my life I would want DH to inherit, and he would take care of the DC. But then what if one child won £1m? I wouldn't expect a share, but how awful would it be to have one millionaire DC and one with "just" a uni fund? This sounds like such a first world problem and likely to remain hypothetical, but I now feel that I need to come to some agreement with the DCs on how (if at all) we split the winnings. And how long should this arrangement last? Forever, or until turning 18, or until we agree to end it? What if DC2 (11) agrees to split £1m now, but as an adult thinks that in hindsight they didn't have the mental capacity to make this decision and we have a big family fallout?

On balance, I think each of us should just keep their own winnings. AIBU?

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Mamadothehump · 04/10/2022 14:22

I would 100% split. I'm assuming you made the decision to put their money into premium bonds given their age so for one child to potentially "earn" more than the other through no control of their own seems massively unfair.

ArcticSkewer · 04/10/2022 14:22

If I wasn't going to share it then I wouldn't have put it in premium bonds tbh, for this reason. I'd have invested in the same product for all kids eg a savings account. This may be a better option for you as this seems to involve a lot of over-thinking right now.

WalkiesAndBiscuits · 04/10/2022 14:23

I would have one account and split it three ways equally if your grandmother wanted you all to have an equal share. It doesn’t seem fair that your children would get different amounts to each other.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 04/10/2022 14:24

We always kept our own winnings as kids. I think if you didn’t want to share it out (which is totally fine) then you shouldn’t have chosen three separate accounts.

AlwaysLatte · 04/10/2022 14:26

I would spilt it equally. Not the same, but DS1 inherited some money when he was a baby and DS2 wasn't born yet. We decided for fairness to give the same amount to DS2 so their investments were the same, as we knew their grandparent would have considered them had they been born at the time.

GasPanic · 04/10/2022 14:28

It's almost certainly going to cause a hell of a row between your kids if one wins £1 million and the other wins nothing.

So you need to have some way of dealing with this.

The good news is you have just reminded me to look at my numbers for this month !

thing47 · 04/10/2022 14:28

ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 14:08

Saying that, none of us have won more than £100. If it was significant, it might be different.

If it was significant, it would be different because you can only have a maximum of £50,000 each in premium bonds. Which is a lot, of course, but not if one of you wins £1m.

Don't think I've ever won more than £50, but I do win that amount semi-regularly.

WoopsIdiditagain1 · 04/10/2022 14:30

I have never won a penny. Not in over 30 years.

PurpleHoney · 04/10/2022 14:33

I would pool all of the money into 1 account and reinvest the winnings.

I couldn't imagine trying to navigate one child winning tens of thousands of pounds, possible a million, and the other child having nothing. That would be a deal breaker for me.

Fuuuuuckit · 04/10/2022 14:34

Bloody hell, there would be murder in my house if I didn't share one kid's big win with the other!

Surely it's a joint pot so the winnings should be joint. Less of an issue once they're over 18 and the bonds are in their own names but can you imagine the resentment (towards you and their sibling) if one did win big and didn't want to share?

I think you are more morally obliged to ensure an even split than to protect their individual accounts (that are in your name anyway).

PurpleHoney · 04/10/2022 14:34

But if you can't pool the money for legal
Reasons, then put it in a high interest bank account for each child.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:36

Wow, lots of replies already! Thank you all. Will work through these...

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Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:44

strawberry2017 · 04/10/2022 13:59

Keep your own winnings.
Simple.
You wouldn't split interest from a savings account so why should you split the winnings.

The issue wouldn't arise with a savings account as long as the products are identical.

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Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:44

BarbaraofSeville · 04/10/2022 14:00

I disagree, I would share. Some time ago a Mumsnetter said one of her DC had won a very significant amount on the premium bonds and she told them that one of them had won, and she wasn't going to say which, and they had the choice of sharing the money, or it going to the winner with the other getting nothing.

So they had the choice of a guaranteed amount X or a 50% chance of being given nothing while their sibling received 2X, or receiving 2X while their sibling received nothing.

I think that was the right way to deal with it.

I like this idea!

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AperolWhore · 04/10/2022 14:48

I wouldn’t split your winnings but I would split the children a winnings between them so they both end up with the same amount.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:50

NoseyNellie · 04/10/2022 14:02

speak to the kids and discuss them splitting the winnings - we did this when I was a child, hand written agreement, probably not legally binding but Dad held all the accounts and divided the winnings for us.

However, given rising interest rates I would suggest thinking about making more informed choices regarding investment - yes there is a slim chance of a big win but the difference between equivalent aggregate winnings vs a good interest rate in a savings bond or high rate savings accounts is getting bigger by the week and I actually think the value of your money will go down in real terms unless you keep up with inflation - you’ve got a good opportunity here to set your kids up for a v good start on the housing ladder if you make the money work for you now

I think I will speak to the kids about it. They do know about the accounts.

Regarding choice of investment, thank you for your concern. At the time of investing, interest rates on savings accounts were extremely low and premium bonds were competitive, assuming you weren't too unlucky. With interest rates rising, I will probably revisit this, which would also solve the moral dilemma!! I don't think there's any inflation-beating investments at the moment mind!! I will also be drip feeding some of the money into their stocks and shares JISAs when the time is right.

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Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:53

Zilla1 · 04/10/2022 14:18

FWIW, if the premium bonds are in DC's names then I don't think you have the right to expropriate one child's winnings and gift it to another. It remains their property.

I alluded to this in my OP and you're the only person to pick up on it. Why do you think you're wrong? This is a key point for me.

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pastaandpesto · 04/10/2022 14:55

GasPanic · 04/10/2022 14:28

It's almost certainly going to cause a hell of a row between your kids if one wins £1 million and the other wins nothing.

So you need to have some way of dealing with this.

The good news is you have just reminded me to look at my numbers for this month !

This. I would never, ever deliberately engineer a situation that had the potential, no matter how remote, of resulting in such inequity between my children. It is absolutely crazy.

Premium bonds are generally considered a pretty poor investment product. The overall interest rate is 2.2% right now but most people will receive considerably less than this.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:56

WalkiesAndBiscuits · 04/10/2022 14:23

I would have one account and split it three ways equally if your grandmother wanted you all to have an equal share. It doesn’t seem fair that your children would get different amounts to each other.

@WalkiesAndBiscuits there can't be one account, as the money legally belongs to DC1 and DC2 so they each have an account in their name. I manage the accounts due to their age. I can't invest their money in my name.

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willithappen · 04/10/2022 14:56

It's not fair on your children, no. Did they get a choice in where/how it was invested? I assume you decided to invest their money so I don't think it's unreasonable that you then decide to share any winnings equally

It would be different if each dc was deciding what to do with the money themselves or were putting work in but there is no work/effort needed in this so it's more than fair to split all winnings

Waitingfordecember · 04/10/2022 14:56

I don’t know the legalities but I’d split all winnings if it was possible. I would hate one child to be that much better off than their sibling because of a decision I’d made on how to invest their money.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 14:57

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 04/10/2022 14:24

We always kept our own winnings as kids. I think if you didn’t want to share it out (which is totally fine) then you shouldn’t have chosen three separate accounts.

@ChiefWiggumsBoy see reply to @WalkiesAndBiscuits

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pastaandpesto · 04/10/2022 14:59

For comparision, the NS&I junior isa is also currently 2.2% so you could move their premium bonds into junior isas instead. Keep yours as premium bonds if it suits you and then either split winnings however you want.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 15:00

Fuuuuuckit · 04/10/2022 14:34

Bloody hell, there would be murder in my house if I didn't share one kid's big win with the other!

Surely it's a joint pot so the winnings should be joint. Less of an issue once they're over 18 and the bonds are in their own names but can you imagine the resentment (towards you and their sibling) if one did win big and didn't want to share?

I think you are more morally obliged to ensure an even split than to protect their individual accounts (that are in your name anyway).

@Fuuuuuckit no it's not a joint pot. Each of us has an account in our own names. Resentment and morals aside, I'm concerned that it could be theft to take half of one DCs winnings away from them. I can top them up to equalise small wins, but not if there's a jackpot.

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sashagabadon · 04/10/2022 15:01

anything under £500 they keep, anything over they spilt. Get them to agree to this.

you keep whatever you win