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Not to share out Premium Bond winnings?

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Dolphining · 04/10/2022 13:52

A few months ago, my 2 DCs and I each inherited a five-figure sum of money from my grandmother. I've put the money into Premium Bonds (in the UK). To be clear: there are three accounts, each with an equal amount of money in. One is mine, one is DC1s and one is DC2s. For those who might not know, Premium Bonds pay out monthly prizes instead of interest. Prizes start at £25 and there are two monthly jackpots of £1m.

So far, we all tend to win something every month, which is great! Given the nature of Premium Bonds, we are winning different amounts each month. The money is paid out into savings accounts, not reinvested in more bonds.

DH and I were chatting about this at the weekend. (DH is DF to the DCs.) DH thinks I should be splitting the winnings equally between us each month rather than letting one child win/earn more than the other. He thinks both DCs should be treated equally and that all winnings should come to me, and I give a third to each DC. On the face of it, this seems fair and the obvious thing to do. The winnings seem to even out over time, but for example this month DC2 has won four prizes but DC1 has won none.

However, I thought about it a bit more and I'm not so sure this is the right thing to do. My Premium Bonds are in my name, DC1s in their name and DC2s in their name. I don't think I have the right to have DCs winnings paid into my account and to redistribute them according to how I see fit. I think it could technically be theft unless the DCs consented to this arrangement. DCs are 14 and 11, so arguably have the capacity to do so, but you could also say that it's coercion. This is more of a legal point.

My second reservation is more moral. It doesn't feel so important to me with smaller winnings, but what if one of us wins the £1m jackpot? It sounds awful, but if I won £1m I wouldn't necessarily want to split it three ways with my kids right now, and I think if I were to die within 7 years there would be IHT implications (as the money would have been a gift from me). At this stage in my life I would want DH to inherit, and he would take care of the DC. But then what if one child won £1m? I wouldn't expect a share, but how awful would it be to have one millionaire DC and one with "just" a uni fund? This sounds like such a first world problem and likely to remain hypothetical, but I now feel that I need to come to some agreement with the DCs on how (if at all) we split the winnings. And how long should this arrangement last? Forever, or until turning 18, or until we agree to end it? What if DC2 (11) agrees to split £1m now, but as an adult thinks that in hindsight they didn't have the mental capacity to make this decision and we have a big family fallout?

On balance, I think each of us should just keep their own winnings. AIBU?

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CaptainMyCaptain · 04/10/2022 21:45

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2022 14:12

You’ve made a poor choice of investment for your DC. Basically, its gambling with their money - although you don’t lose any!
Their money should be invested in a long term account that generates guaranteed interest. The odds of them winning the jackpot if they hold £10,000 worth of PBs is 1 in 595,627,735 which is pretty impossible.
I suggest you leave maybe £1,000 each in PBs and look at something more beneficial in the long term. As you’ve already noted, how would you feel if one DC won £1million and the the other didn’t? that would be extremely divisive.

My premium bonds give me a better return than an ISA.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 04/10/2022 21:49

Kennykenkencat · 04/10/2022 21:38

I have seen teens go off the rails when given a lot less

I have seen threads on here about the child trust fund the government gave to children born after a certain date and the problems on finding out they had as little as £800 the child was entitled to.

They can't access any of the money without us

So we should be all good on the 'going off the rails' side

Beachbabe1 · 04/10/2022 21:49

Definitely split it equally! How would that be fair if one child one 1 million?! I'm sure they would prefer to share it! I know I would!

TheRubyRedshoes · 04/10/2022 21:50

@CaptainMyCaptain

Out of interest roughly how much do you have in pb and what are you invested in , stocks and shares?

My DC and my ISA are still ok inspite of recent troubles. My sipp is around 28% still.

My personal isa isn't doing as well

dingdongdarling · 04/10/2022 21:52

Set up joint account for kids.

Have winnings from both their premium bond accounts paid into the joint account.

Split joint account between them when youngest child turns 18.

Kennykenkencat · 04/10/2022 21:52

Shoxfordian · 04/10/2022 21:44

I think you should all just keep what you win; we can’t all win all the time in life- it’s not a bad lesson for your children really

There are lessons to learn but having the power to even up any money coming to each child and not doing so is only teaching them you favour one child over another.

WifeMotherWorker · 04/10/2022 21:52

I agree with your DH and all winnings should be shared equally between the childrens. Both of my children have PB and we have adjusted their accounts over the years and will ensure at 18 that have the same ££ each to ensure fairness.

juice92 · 04/10/2022 21:55

I think that you should all keep your own earnings. This is a good lesson for the kids in that life isn't always fair and people, get and have different things. the likelihood of winning a the big prize is low, and even if they did win the big prize, it would be for them to do with as they see fit (although of course it would be nice for them to give you and their sibling something should that happen). It is their money.

I can remember once my sibling and I - who had a very close relationship to an Auntie and Uncle that another sibling didn't - being given some Christmas money each from a relative and having to split it with another sibling who didn't get anything. I massively resented my parents for that.

In reality the difference in accounts will probably be minimal. That being said only you know your children.

Dolphining · 04/10/2022 21:59

I found the earlier thread discussing my hypothetical concern in reality:

WWYD premium bonds - www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4416677-WWYD-premium-bonds

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Mumontour85 · 04/10/2022 22:04

Whatever works for your family, but my family have always split all of the PB winnings. To the point I was recently given a fiver by mum because dad won £25 😆 we ended up getting together and putting it towards a Chinese takeaway!

Wonnle · 04/10/2022 22:15

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/10/2022 21:45

My premium bonds give me a better return than an ISA.

I've got the maximum 50k in premium bonds and over the last 12 months i've won £500 , with interest rates going up I could get £2060 at the moment in 12 month fixed savings account . Ideal if you don't need access to the investment

Shoxfordian · 04/10/2022 22:16

No need to even up either child- they’re lucky that month or they’re not

nokidshere · 04/10/2022 22:38

I wouldn't have invested in something that potentially has unequal returns. Since it's not your money you are just managing it I would remove it and put in somewhere where they will both get the same. You can keep your premium bonds and share out your own win.

It will always be unfair to someone, the child who wins big and has to share it or the child who wins nothing whilst their sibling wins big and gets to keep it. Potentially as they get older they would also think having to share was not your call and that 'you stole it' from them.

I think you are creating unnecessary problems which have the potential to backfire on you all.

Kennykenkencat · 07/10/2022 09:52

TheRubyRedshoes · 04/10/2022 21:43

@Kennykenkencat ..

But what's the context of the DC going off the rails?

Surely a child who has had exposure to budgets, household budget, managing money 💰 from a young age will acquire their money at 18 and know exactly what to do with it.
Especially if they have been taught to enjoy some?

I find it's cash starved DC who go wild.

So what you are saying is only rich peoples children are able to handle money at 16 (premium bonds) or 18

No rich persons child has ever gone off the rails by suddenly getting a large lump sum of money.

It is only poor people who will waste the money

Kennykenkencat · 07/10/2022 09:53

Kennykenkencat · 07/10/2022 09:52

So what you are saying is only rich peoples children are able to handle money at 16 (premium bonds) or 18

No rich persons child has ever gone off the rails by suddenly getting a large lump sum of money.

It is only poor people who will waste the money

Are you LT?

Kennykenkencat · 07/10/2022 10:22

nokidshere · 04/10/2022 22:38

I wouldn't have invested in something that potentially has unequal returns. Since it's not your money you are just managing it I would remove it and put in somewhere where they will both get the same. You can keep your premium bonds and share out your own win.

It will always be unfair to someone, the child who wins big and has to share it or the child who wins nothing whilst their sibling wins big and gets to keep it. Potentially as they get older they would also think having to share was not your call and that 'you stole it' from them.

I think you are creating unnecessary problems which have the potential to backfire on you all.

Why would they even need to know? Why would you tell a child their sibling won £100 or £100,000 on their PB but they won nothing. Surely you would just withdraw £50 or £50,000 and put it into the other’s savings account.

Whilst we all have separate bank accounts everyone shares money or extra bits and pieces we come into around the family

I was brought up in an extended immigrant family where everyone went to work and put their earnings into the centre of the table each evening to pay for any bills and to save for a house.
I suppose it comes from my upbringing that as a family living under the same roof you use everyone’s money as family money and everyone has a share in everything.

I know dc (adults) when they come into any money or win a prize they share it with the rest of our family without prompting.
Equally I do the same.

The idea that we act as individuals guarding our own income being jealous of what siblings or parents have seems so alien to me. As a family we can buy a house that individually we would never be able to afford by pooling our money.

I never get why people wouldn’t do this.

BaileySharp · 07/10/2022 10:40

I'd share keep it fair. If one was lucky enough to win 1 million it would be so unfair on the other DC wouldn't it?

starfishmummy · 07/10/2022 11:17

I dint think I'd include my winnings in the equation, nor expect a share of what a child wins but siblings should be treated the same as they had no choice in what you did with the money. If they were old enough and one had chosen a savings account and one premium bonds that would be different, but they haven't. You chose what to do.

BirdinaHedge · 07/10/2022 11:32

but siblings should be treated the same as they had no choice in what you did with the money

Indeed.

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