To be seriously considering leaving this country?

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I've lived here all my life l, have all my family and friends here but I feel desperate to get out now.

Brexit was national self harm in itself (and has made it harder to leave) but I am done with Tory island. They have destroyed everything over the last 12 years.

Had it now. Country heading for collapse.

Same here, finished my degree and have a year left on my msc, working with a global company in project management and have been applying for my Irish passport (parent is Irish). As soon as my msc is complete and I've hit 2 years with my company I am going to apply abroad within the company or to other companies. I'm torn currently but certain areas of the states, canada, aus and new zealand

Historically though, Britain has been a land of migrants. The Anglo-Saxons came, the Jutes came, and most of us will have a few ancestors at least. I'm sure if an ancestor of mine managed to get to Britain 1500 years ago in a wooden boat, then I can manage to relocate for a better life using modern transport options!

We left 8 years ago and I count my blessings every day that we did.

yep OP! the last couple of weeks especially has made me look into options. Drat bloody Brexit though, making it super difficult. Bloody brexiters!!!

I think it would be a great shame if the UK broke up but completely understand your reasons for wanting to do this.

The government of the UK have made the wrong choices again and again and instead of prioritising collective services such as education, travel at accessible prices and delivering decent health and social care, they have favoured private wealth. I am not far left in my views, I come from a family business background and we run our own business now, and I believe we need a strong and flexible economy to pay for all of the above, and that people need to take responsibility for themselves when able.

BUT when there are so many failing public services impacting on the most vulnerable in society, when families with disabled children have to fight to get every bit of inadequate help, when the mentally ill go untreated, when the police forces are stretched to breaking, when those with jobs are living off food banks, when there is an unprecedented level of homelessness, when you can't get a gp appointment for a fortnight, when people are removing their own teeth with pliers, that is the time to sit back and question the values of those in charge. This is no longer about conflicting economic policies. This is about what is morally right and wrong.

Yes EU net migration is now zero.

All these people wanting to leave the U.K. but the population keeps rising. So what is it a shit place where everyone wants to leave or somewhere that has its faults but better than a lot of the world?
Avoid Sweden op, isn’t that utopia going more right wing, they don’t want any more immigrants.

I'm in NI, so could end up leaving Britain without even having to leave the house.😆 I count myself very lucky that me and the DC have dual nationality. If I was English, I'd be shitting myself.😬

I would like to but cant speak any other languages and wouldnt know what job I could do, plus with the EU thing we would be scuppered with getting visas etc

But we also have family in Spain who moan like the billy-o about Spanish bureaucracy and say that people in the UK are treated much better on benefits, we have better systems for supporting mums to work etc. I dont know if that is accurate

@Floomobal - once you have been married for more than 7 years, the process is easier but a spouse has to show a close connection with the country (repeat visits were enough plus getting married there) and do a test/interview. My DH became Swiss before the rules changed though and I think now a spouse has to be fluent in a national language. Speak to the embassy in London.
We have realised it is so so much cheaper for DC to study in Switzerland, including medicine. So it is a no brainer for them. Plus they can choose whatever course they want to study on without the ridiculous competition in UK.

Sorry. What I meant to add to this (but posted too soon) is that whatever you think of the EU, which is by no means a perfect entity, it has broadly Christian liberal democratic values. It is engaged with what is best for society as a whole such as putting money in to impoverished areas, supporting science and tech research, protecting the environment. Hence policies which might be annoying to us as individuals (eg LED light bulbs) protecting our environment as a whole.

In general, France, and Germany , to name but two, are much more family friendly societies where the most vulnerable are looked after properly.

What does this have to do with UK education, health and jobs you might ask? Well for one thing the EU sets limits on unfettered capitalism and wild unorthodox economic policy such as that practised by Kwasi Kwerteng which he wouldn't be allowed to do if we were part of the Euro and the average British citizen would not be exposed to the ups and downs of an extremely volatile stock market. We would have a very stable, boring but solid economy.

Sadly however, the 52% voted for what we have now.

I'm strongly encouraging my early 20s DSs to consider their futures. Youngest is doing a semester in a German uni right now; eldest being interviewed for a UK job in a German company.

We spent 2 weeks travelling around southern Germany, dropping DS2 off, and, again I was reminded of the contrast between the general standard of living there as opposed to here. It's no utopia (my cousin lives there and was open and frank about some issues), but god, the state of GB right now!! This'll take decades to sort out.

Both DSs are considering Canada. We all hold dual citizenship with Oz but we feel climate change is making Oz unliveable. DH and I would go abroad in a shot but at least we're reasonably financially secure.

For every person that wants to leave, someone else wants to come. As others have said, all countries have their issues.

DH is recruiting and finding it increasingly difficult to get staff. He is having to offer higher and higher packages, the market is tight. His four most recent staff came from Afganistan, Italy, Italy, and Hong Kong. The Afghani had come via three other European countries, all in which they had experienced bad racism. They have found the UK to be the most welcoming and stable for work.

HELLOOOOO.. just me left, then.. :-0
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I think leaving the country is a bit dramatic. Yes the government is a shitshow at the moment but a more measured approach is to turn off the news, stop buying into the hysteria and just focus on what you can control. Just live day by day, cut back if you have to, give to charity if you can, stop and appreciate your loved ones and the good things in your life and just wait until we can vote this awful government out! I think there are many worse counties to live.

Wow! 😭

DH and I have briefly talked about it this week. But we would need to be an English speaking country, but I do have a sought after professional qualification.

However, I don't like the way Canada is going politically at the moment, not sure I could cope with Aussie heat, especially as I have an outside job. DH thinks Perth would be okay, obviously NZ is an option too.

But, we have a dog who is only 5 and there is no way he would cope with crating for air travel, and no way I'd ever re-home him. So in a decade when he is gone, both DH and I will be over 50, so not sure we'd get a visa at that age anyway. It would also be a bad age then to move DD who is 4 now.

So I guess we are staying put.

These are the things that annoy me the most about England right now:

• the divisive education system which is way too political
• The failing health service
• the hatred of the poor, the hatred of the rich, the hatred of the middle classes - everyone hates everyone else based on wealth or lack their of. Money is far too important.
• the essentially clueless and incompetent politicians. They just do not seem qualified to do their jobs properly.
• the press in all its glory. Everything is a huge deal and everything is made a fuss of, blown out of proportion, politicians and press chasing each other’s tails.

Those 5 issues are better in Switzerland or Germany. I agree though that on the whole England is less racist than many European countries. However, for my middle class intelligent DC with high earning potential, we will choose a European country or Switzerland. I would prefer my grandchildren to grow up there. It has been far too stressful here. Far too much competition and negativity. Money is too important. No sense of community left etc.

I can't leave at the moment... my children are too small / the impact on family would be too severe.

But I live in Scotland and having been vehemently against it all my life I think in the next referendum (that I was also against) I will vote for independence.

I knew this government were a load of lying, cheating, corrupt, self-serving arseholes but I was still shocked on Friday!

(And for the record I never had any political preference prior to Bojo).

Switzerland? Very closed community and hard to master the languages, and become a local

Sweden? Norway? Denmark? Very closed society, they are polite and speak English… but you’ll never part of their real group of friends, and if you don’t learn the language you’ll be forever an outsider. And even if you learn the language… I found these countries beautiful and well organised and also the only places I have felt lonely

to me, coming from a “Utopia” country, moving to England 15 years ago was a great move, and people have been so nice, and you can really integrate in a way I have never managed anywhere else.

it’s still a beautiful place here and the people are generally lovely and polite.

i hope the U.K. can recover from the last decade of mismanagement

No. We've done US, Australia, NZ and Switzerland and are now back in the UK for good.

Cozyblankethottea the hatred of the poor, the hatred of the rich, the hatred of the middle classes - everyone hates everyone else based on wealth or lack their of. Money is far too important.

Its just awful, isn't it? So many posts today calling Liz Truss "stupid" and worse, same with all of the previous PMs and about every politician you can think of. Everyone wants to be rich but at the same time despises "the rich". According to some, all of "the rich" are stupid and only became rich due to privilege. The concept of hard work never enters into it. In fact, according to some, well paid jobs are much, much easier than low paid jobs. I even saw someone on here comment once that working full time was a "privilege"!

No wonder we attract fairly incompetent politicians. When you compare the UK to countries like Switzerland, you begin to realise what the UK lacks, specifically a stable constitution and government that doesn't change every couple of years, direct democracy and well paid jobs, however an attitude that you need to work and pay for yourself if at all possible.

Haha there’s a few of us staying

Quite a few people saying if they move it would have to be to an English speaking country. Why can't you learn another language? You'd fit in much better and be accepted more quickly (and have more options).