To be seriously considering leaving this country?

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I've lived here all my life l, have all my family and friends here but I feel desperate to get out now.

Brexit was national self harm in itself (and has made it harder to leave) but I am done with Tory island. They have destroyed everything over the last 12 years.

Had it now. Country heading for collapse.

So you ve made approx 1.6m profit but moan you had to pay 20% on that gain? still a handy 1.2m to spend...

Many high earners that we more normal people rely on, will be paying 40% on their rather more modest earnings.

Your kids teachers, private health nurses and Dr's were almost certainly trained under the State sector/NHS and if you need emergency treatment, it'll be done in the NHS.

You use roads don't you?

Stop complaining and be thankful the cost of living crisis will pass you by, because it wont for millions of people living here.

Do you use roads, gas, electricity, trains, airports, shops, services, etc? Have you benefited from teachers, lecturers, staff, employees, volunteers, etc?

Well guess what, you take out of the system and once you factor in the fact that the rich tend to buy more, travel more, consume more, you're probably not contributing a great deal more than you're taking out and may even be a net beneficiary.

This is hilarious ignorance.

Well done, you made me laugh.

Another hilariously ignorant one. Keep them coming. Because yes, I can dictate where the professionals I pay privately for were educated.

Also, I've just had emergency surgery. Spent most of September in hospital. My surgery was PRIVATE as was my entire hospital stay.

Sit down.

You do know you are free not to click on the link to the thread, then not read any of the posts, and then not comment, right? Do move on from a thread if you’re not interested in it

I don't need anyone to do anything for me to have more money. My earnings are going to be what they are regardless.

Well that is assuming that they don’t already speak the relevant language, or are moving to a county where English isn’t widely spoken. That said, immersion also works for adults. While children may learn a language more easily, adults can also learn one to fluency.

Even if it’s an issue, it doesn’t make it a negative that is going to outweigh the positives of going ahead and leaving.

Wait....you genuinely think that every single person involved in your private hospital stay was completely removed from the state? That's genuinely equal parts scary and hilarious.

You don't think that maybe more than a few of the Surgeons, Nurses, Cleaners, Administrators, Suppliers, Builders, Engineers, etc, etc that made the construction and operation of a private hospital possible came through the state system?

There's definitely ignorance in these posts but it's not from me or or @Alexandra2001 .

how can you dictate where the professionals you pay privately for were educated?
did you ask where the surgeon or anyone else in the team that performed your surgery was trained then turned them away if they were trained by the NHS? If so, definitely not an emergency surgery.

from: someone recovering from emergency surgery, who then went into a coma, and cannot understand how a patient would be able or interested to check where the healthcare professionals who performed the emergency surgery were trained. If I had tried, They’d have probably told me that was a matter for later as they were now trying to save my life.

Most people would agree with you on that. However our Tory government think that they should take out a Wonga loan to make you richer. A loan that we will be paying for more than a generation.

Not everyone wants to be part of that. Many see it as being detrimental to achieving their goals, incompatible with their values and extremely damaging to the UK in the short and long term. Their opposition has nothing to do with hating Britain, hating the rich, or even wanting the wealthy to pay more than they are now. Its about not wanting to be governed by a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, liars in an ever declining UK.

So basically in this current time of crisis you support people who earn more than £150000 a year earning more money whilst lower earners freeze/starve/lose their home? Or have I misunderstood you?

PS you have literally no idea what I earn. Not everyone who earns well sees tax as a dirty word though so please don't assume that just because I don't associate with the clowns who are making these disasterous decisions that I don't understand what it means to be taxed heavily

Take your own advice @underneaththeash and go away from this thread.

I have lived in a few countries and am an immigrant to this country (UK). I've enjoyed living here. When I came here there were many opportunities. Public transport that worked was something I hadn't known existed! Now unfortunately, my health is not good and I'm stuck with the lovely NHS. I would go home in a heartbeat if I could but I've a lot of entanglements here which mean that it's difficult to leave and it would be difficult to return to the position I was in before I left. I moved here because London seemed alluring, dynamic, progressive and exotic. Now it's resembling the backwater I came from.

In terms of advice for the OP:

Research, research, research.

Dot your i's and cross your t's. It's wise sometimes to have one parent move initially in order to get things in place for when your family moves. Ensure that you have employment in place and that you have accommodation in place (seems obvious but sometimes you just assume that you'll easily get a job).

You WILL miss home. Maybe not initially, but you will at times. You'll miss a familiar culture, you'll miss being able to make a joke that everyone 'gets'. You'll miss having a circle of friends, you'll miss certain foods, you'll miss feeling 'part' of a community. It can be lonely.

You will also not like calling your Mum up and saying that you've lost your job or that you're unwell or that you want to go home so your conversations can end up trying to put a positive spin on things. You will have grandparents begging for photos of your children. You will try to ensure that everyone back home thinks that you're doing well.

Ensure that you have thought of every expense possible and do up a budget (some taxes are not known about). Long-term healthcare is probably the biggest error I made moving here (I didn't take out private health insurance when I moved here as it wasn't really a 'thing'). I've seen people emigrate to the US (Florida) and have to move back to England as they couldn't afford the health insurance when one of them got sick (they hadn't taken it out when they first moved).

As part of your budget, ensure you include the cost of flights home for you and your family for as many times as you might wish to come home, but also include the cost of an urgent last-minute flight.

Try to mitigate for every scenario. Try to see whether the culture of where you intend moving to is compatible with yours.

Best of luck. If I could get out I would. I'm going to cry now.

So basically you haven't and or don't pay anywhere near the amount I do in tax and yet here we are.

Brilliant.

No one gives fuck what you pay in tax, though you are obviously dying to tell us lol 😂

And again, how do my earnings, hard work, personal sacrifices to achieve what I have mean people are cold and starving?

My mind boggles at the narrow minded thinking here.

My next question after how much tax do you pay is, how much do you donate? Help those that you're fighting so passionately for? Or is that us rich folks are rich so that's also our responsibility?

Before you ask, I give my time and money freely to the following:

NSPCC
Khalsa Aid
Cancer Research and I donate/volunteer heavily to a local end of life care hospice for terminally ill children and their families.

Really, try harder.

Tell me you're a complainer draining the system without putting anything or very little back into it without telling me you're a complainer draining the system without putting anything or very little back into it. 😏

Joyful.

Also, because you're clearly not super
rich like me, I can't respond to you anymore. However, fear not I'll be sure to keep paying AAALLLLLL the tax that I do which no doubt helps you. 😊

@CheeseCheeseandcrackers86 this is for you my love ❤️

You sound like you’re having a hard time which is tough no matter where you are.

Whereabouts in London are you?

Because everything seems to be getting more gentrified where I am not the opposite.

Then I go into central London and it’s booking - busy restaurants, theatres etc.

One thing will say re moving very far is take into account how you’ll feel about your parents getting older, geographical distance becomes more pronounced than when younger

DM is retiring to Spain. I wish I could move with her but I can’t do the job I do now from there

You are funny.

To sum up, since Brexit many posters on this thread feel surrounded and outvoted by those with different views, don't like the way politics and the economy is going here, feel they can't change it, they aren't being listened to and things were better in the good old days of yore. So they have decided to leave and seek a better life outside.

Oh the irony! All they need is to hold a family referendum first.

I also think how it’s lovely how the british never see themselves as foreigners or immigrants. Everyone referring to themselves or other British as “expats”……. only other people are forrin