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Black Monday anyone? The tories should be in jail - part 2

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 14:45

The new Truss government seems to be coming apart at the seams - a thread to debate and analyse our current political situation and ask what is to be done and find out where is the hope.

YABU - give her a chance the Tories are our future!
YANBU - time for a change anyone but the Tories thankyou.

Carry on from www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4641741-black-monday-anyone-the-tories-should-be-in-jail?page=39&reply=120311909

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Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 14:49

Thank you @vera99. 💐

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Abhannmor · 27/09/2022 14:51

I'm an old softie. And a believer in compromise. So how about just the government go to jail.

The ordinary members can go in a care home.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 14:55

Starmer asks delegates to imagine what might change after one term of Labour government.

The cost of living crisis would be defeated. Public services would be back, the economy stable, the NHS in good shape again, he says.
He says Labour is fairer and greener. And because it is fairer and greener, entreprenurial spirit is unleashed.
And Labour would also show “it is possible to govern with integrity”, to unite rather than divide, to govern for the long term.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 14:57

Abhannmor · 27/09/2022 14:51

I'm an old softie. And a believer in compromise. So how about just the government go to jail.

The ordinary members can go in a care home.

I did consider taking out the jail bit but it was upbracket that started it so out of respect ....

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SleeplessInEngland · 27/09/2022 14:58

Starmer announces a publicly owned green energy company and renationalised rail. Whether they're good ideas or not, even tory whatabouters can't pretend he's thinking small anymore.

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StoneofDestiny · 27/09/2022 15:00

We have a morally bankrupt prime minister, chosen by morally bankrupt Tory Party members. This follows the last morally bankrupt prime minister.........why are we complaining exactly 😂😂

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Eskarina1 · 27/09/2022 15:00

vera99 · 27/09/2022 14:55

Starmer asks delegates to imagine what might change after one term of Labour government.

The cost of living crisis would be defeated. Public services would be back, the economy stable, the NHS in good shape again, he says.
He says Labour is fairer and greener. And because it is fairer and greener, entreprenurial spirit is unleashed.
And Labour would also show “it is possible to govern with integrity”, to unite rather than divide, to govern for the long term.

Given the effort it has taken to get us into this mess, I'm not sure one term is enough.

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SleeplessInEngland · 27/09/2022 15:01

It's telling that even corbynites, a group that loathes starmer more than any conservative, are grudgingly accepting the speech hit a lot of right notes.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 15:06

Watching Beth Rigby interview Anglea Rayner again I'm welling up - it's like we have been in an abusive relationship politically for years with no hope just cynicism and rampant opportunism in which the great British people are impotent pawns in whatever meagre fates are decided for them. This is the point where we can dare to hope, dare to believe in something better and inclusive and we can see our lying, deceitful captors who are busying themselves looting the system for what they are immoral, borderline evil, incompetent, greedy carpetbaggers of the worse kind.

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Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 15:08

It’s telling that so much work has been going on behind the scenes. They’ve had discussions with over 200 businesses, quietly building confidence for months. That’s the way to do it.

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ilovesooty · 27/09/2022 15:16

SleeplessInEngland · 27/09/2022 15:01

It's telling that even corbynites, a group that loathes starmer more than any conservative, are grudgingly accepting the speech hit a lot of right notes.

I thought it was a good speech.

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Bouledeneige · 27/09/2022 15:19

The reason why Tory MPs were discussing getting rid of Truss last night is not just because of the impact of the currency and inflation crisis they have induced but because it will do long term harm to the long held assumption that the Conservative party was a safe pair of hands economically. If Labour can take over that mantle they have a chance to win at the next election - but the damage, if Truss stays could be catastrophic.

It will take more than a term to recover.

We have the impact of Brexit and customs duties. The fall in sterling on the cost of imports - food, medicine, gas and oil, and rising interest rates on inflation. Workforce shortages, massive public borrowing and a deepening national debt, with weakened public services and workforce shortages. Disaster.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 15:19

When Johnson said Fuck Business and Gove said we have had enough of experts they weren't joking. Business is crying out for adult leadership that wants to put the economy first. The EU will be watching in interest and I expect some sort of friendship treaty when Labour win that will do a lot of heavy lifting on both detail and the shape of the relationship to come.

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Lonelycrab · 27/09/2022 15:21

Thanks @vera99 and everyone for these threads.

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SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 15:29

U-Turn incoming

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63049044

Why Kwasi Kwarteng U-turn on tax or spending is inevitable

but not before the sharks have eaten the corpse.

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dontcallmelen · 27/09/2022 15:30

Yes thank you.

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SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 15:38

If Liz Truss wants to be brave, she could do a fucktonne worse than sign the UK back into the EU. Who knows, it may even prove popular ?

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SleeplessInEngland · 27/09/2022 15:41

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 15:29

U-Turn incoming

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63049044

Why Kwasi Kwarteng U-turn on tax or spending is inevitable

but not before the sharks have eaten the corpse.

Continuity Johnson. Announce an absurd, unpopoular policy then u-turn long after the political damage has been done.

These people are just really bad this.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 15:45

They are like Homer Simpson when he gets into the control room at the Springfield nuclear reactor and starts pulling levers randomly.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 15:49

Pippa Crerar
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🏠Starmer announces new Labour target of 70% home ownership - with “no more buy-to-let landlords or second homeowners getting in first”.

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Notonthestairs · 27/09/2022 15:54

"Gilts getting hammered again. UK 30 year heading towards 5%."

twitter.com/samfr/status/1574771069222805506?s=46&t=FPkrgp8B6hN0t0tjPQWRDg

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Qisk · 27/09/2022 16:19

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 15:29

U-Turn incoming

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63049044

Why Kwasi Kwarteng U-turn on tax or spending is inevitable

but not before the sharks have eaten the corpse.

I spotted that OBR comment when the BOE reported. I thought it was quite important and was puzzled the mainstream press even overseas had not picked up on it. That alone is making investors nervous.

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Qisk · 27/09/2022 16:20

vera99 · 27/09/2022 15:49

Pippa Crerar
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🏠Starmer announces new Labour target of 70% home ownership - with “no more buy-to-let landlords or second homeowners getting in first”.

That would be money well spent. Gets my vote.

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vera99 · 27/09/2022 16:29

Andrew Marr -bang on the money on the power and significance of Sir Keir's barnstorming speech. Sadly we have nearly 2 more years of this car crash smash and loot government before they get royally booted out.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2022/09/keir-starmer-speech-showed-prime-minister-labour-conference

It was a display of discipline, “God save the King” patriotism and a quiet lust for power, topped off by one of the best leader’s speeches I have heard from any side for a long time. What did we learn,or have confirmed? That after a dozen years Labour is almost certainly heading back to power.

If you have the stamina or interest to watch it in full here it is. I've watched a lot of political speeches in my time as a political wonk and this ranks as one of the very best.

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CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 27/09/2022 16:43

Qisk · 27/09/2022 16:19

I spotted that OBR comment when the BOE reported. I thought it was quite important and was puzzled the mainstream press even overseas had not picked up on it. That alone is making investors nervous.

Is this why they got rid of Tom Scholar? Not sure who replaced him.

Thought KS speech was great and hit all the right notes.

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