AIBU to believe rich people should contribute much more?

[marcusian]

A bit tongue in cheek, but given that its almost impossible for poorly paid workers including care workers and nurses to strike, and that the government have given people earning over £100K a massive pay rise, what other ways could the most wealthy be made to pay?

My idea: - a new LUXURIES tax (think 50% VAT) on things ordinary people cant buy, like superyachts, airplanes, £10K+ dining tables, a box at wimbledon, £500+ handbags, £100+ football boots!

AIBU - No - they should pay more and heres my ideas how they should do it!
AIBU - Yes - leave wealthy people alone, its not their fault

There is probably BPR and APR in there which means that they pay tax on the income.

BPR and APR protects succession in business it's legal and fair - check your facts

Yea they're fully aware of what their huge tax bill does and doesn't pay for, most have been to Uni or educated themselves so they have a grasp on such matters.

No thank you.

I already pay thousands a month in tax alone, never mind my NI. No tax evasion here - all PAYE.

Why the ever loving fuck should I pay yet more, to subsidise other people?

Just... why?

The idea that everyone could be wealthy is just such an obvious lie, though, isn't it?

Even if you accept its a level playing field where no one is disadvantaged (lie) then for everyone to be wealthy those who are already wealthy would have to give up some of their wealth

And as you can see from this thread, they really don't like that idea.

They dont even like the idea of paying for essential services through tax

People aren't generating new wealth. They're just circulating the same finite resources.

Because they're poor and you're obviously a uneducated dick who got your job from Uncle Crispin whilst stepping on the heads of all of those people who work just as hard for a living but happen to not get paid as much as you because the system is against them.

Then why do so many wealthy mumsnetters say they dont get anything back or dont use lots of services they do actually use indirectly.

People dont seem to think they get anything out of state education unless they have a child in state education for instance.

@Eeiliethya

Is that what you think taxes do? Just subsidise others?

What do you do to make your money that you pay tax on?

Average deductions can be over 50% if you factor in workplace pension deductions, student loan repayments, income tax, NIC and child benefit claw back.

Marginal deductions peak at around 78% on the same basis.

@Badbadbunny

Loan repayments and pension payments aren't tax.

That's like saying it's not fair you have to pay for food out of your wage

Who doesn't like paying for essential services which they use? We pay for them and some more but use less than those that use nhs doctors and dentists and state schools. We pay more council tax too.

No one says they aren't happy paying tax and some people are happy to pay more than they do but there's a line where you expect to get paid a fair amount for what you do and not have more and more taken from you by way of taxation.

They're still deductions and it's generally accepted that student loan repayments are a graduate tax. I was replying to a poster saying that no one receives only half their salary!

Even without workplace pensions, the average is just below 50% and marginal deductions still peak at around 72%.

@Madamecastafiore

Quite a few have said they dont use any services so why should they pay or why should they have to pay to subsidise others

I'm quite sure those on mw would also like to be paid a fair amount for what they do

Given that we're all about making sure everyone can be wealthy, why don't we start there?

Increase mw to 50 k a year?

Oh well that's one that can't be levelled at all of us! We're more than happy to pay our way and understand that educating everyone does benefit us, regardless of if it's through taxation or private school fees.

What job would you like to do to earn your 50k? Maybe we could all get together and help you increase your prospects?

Nobody has said they don’t use any services at all.

It has just been pointed out that the ‘richer’ (so sick of this vague description) pay more tax and this pay into services they don’t use make use of. Not that they didn’t use any services at all.

You can’t help but twist peoples words and misrepresent it for you own agenda can you.

Yeah 50k minimum wage…that makes great fiscal sense doesn’t it.

Shall we just print some money while we’re at it too?

The obsession on here to strip 'the rich' which is really anyone on a half decent salary or two professionals combined income is really getting out of hand. Stoking up hate is not helpful, and won't solve our problems, there will just be a mass exodus of very talented people if they are taxed for breathing.

And nobody has said they shouldn’t pay any tax either. Just that there has to be a limit at which you keep redistributing wealth back through the system.

Thirdly - why do you think you have a right to lots when others have nothing?

Because they work for it I assume.

This mindset is really going to cost Labour the election. The middle classes will run for the hills, and without them the LP is screwed.

Perhaps I should encourage you to carry on op! It is very Corbynista.
It would be considered theft. It is not your money to redistribute.

@Quincythequince

Yeah 50k minimum wage…that makes great fiscal sense doesn’t it.

Makes as much fiscal sense to give 50 people 50k as 1 person 2.5 mil

Makes much more fiscal sense actually

The tax on the rich should be used to fund social care which under the conservatives has gone to rack and ruin. This means resolving retention and recruitment issues within social care, setting out a professional national register of carers, delivering nvq care training and numerous other trainings to meet endless cqc regulations, also making local authorities fund suitable placements rather then fobbing vulnerable elderly and disabled people off.

@Madamecastafiore

Is that supposed to be an insult?

My prospects are fine thanks.

I see you're sidestepping the main point though. Predictable

No I'm just wondering what you are going to do to earn this pay rise.

If we can genuinely help you in any way we'd be more than happy to.

@Madamecastafiore

Who is we?

The Royal we?

You said people wanted a fair pay for what they do.

Are you changing your mind?

You can't force people to pay as much as you would like to. They will just move elsewhere or move all of their assets out of the country, which won't help us one bit.

This is exactly why we will never vote Labour, and nor will anyone I know. We can't trust them with our money, savings or future at all.
Anyone that isn't on the breadline would be crazy to vote for Labour. Your post is the reality check we all need thanks for posting.