To miss David Cameron?

[Yellowredandbrown]

Probably won’t be popular but I do.

He was a Tory but a moderate one.

I know some people hold him personally responsible for brexit but I have never subscribed to that view. It was a pressing question that needed answering. I do think he should have done more to show the benefits of being in the EU.

I wish we could have kept him.

I think he's responsible for much of the shit show we find ourselves in now.
He took a country that was stable and prosperous and took us on a journey that has made that far less certain for some and hugely lined the pockets of others.

Fuck me! He was the catalyst for this shit show. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Oh hell no. He’s such a wimp. He even got on my nerves whilst speaking about his time with the queen to Laura Keunnsberg (sp?) last week. I’ve been missing Gordon Brown actually but whilst we’re talking about Tories, I agree that Theresa May would have been better than this shit show however, I can’t forgive her for Windrush. We need a G E at this stage.

Just to add, I think he’s the worst PM this country has ever had.

WTAF? There's no limit to these Tory voters idiocy!

Agree

@Yellowredandbrown
Austerity wasn't just about reducing benefits - it cut across all sectors of government spending, and has removed any kind of flexibilty or contingency in all public services, and led us to the point where when actual crises occour (Brexit, Covid, cost of living) all of our individual and socital safety nets have gone.

Some articles/analysis about the impact of austerity:
www-cdn.oxfam.org/s3fs-public/file_attachments/cs-true-cost-austerity-inequality-uk-120913-en_0.pdf

www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-may-budget.html

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/uk-muted-response-to-austerity/

He opened the door to Brexit - never ever should he be in public office again.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is automatically a fascist? That's ridiculous. I'll rephrase what I said: referenda, in the context of a representative democracy, are undemocratic. Asking a limited part of the population to vote on an issue chosen by representatives, with a wording chosen by those representatives, informed on the basis of arguments put forward by those representatives, is undemocratic. Should there have been a referendum on the Falklands, or going to war in Iraq, or supporting the Ukraine? No, because the issues are too intricate for most people to understand well, because they don't have the time, the expertise or the access to relevant sources of information.

I remember feeling I couldn’t believe he got away with it. And I pretty much blame him.

it could have been advisory status but still, he brought something about that many people were not thinking about much until asked

Absolutely this. It makes me weep the amount of money that it will cost to rebuild the services that have been run down for so long and to cover the costs of the lack of resources. So no preventative healthcare leads to expensive treatment in the long run. Poor child mental healthcare, leads to all kind of issues, including crime and the massive implications of that on victims and the families of the perpetrators, long term unemployment, dysfunctional families etc.

Lack of investment in social housing leads to expensive short term housing. Lack of training of health care workers leads to a break down in the NHS (which is what they want so their private healthcare mates can make squillions). They never count the long term costs or make the connections between these things, they just blame people for being feckless, work shy, lacking in resilience etc.

Meanwhile people keep voting for this shower of shit and believing their empty promises. Cameron was less bad in some ways but in others was more dangerous as he was a more benign face with the same awful policies. Plus so gutless to get us in the disaster of Brexit and then wash his hands of the awful mess he's made.

How can any Tory politician be proud of our country as it is now, with the economy tanking, public services on its knees. They will still claim to be the only safe pair of hands for the economy and people will still believe them. We are still paying massively more for public services that were privatised when we were promised better investment as the private sector does these things so much better. And yet we pay massively more than other countries for our train services, for example and they're not as efficient. We pay loads for water services, and they still don't fix the leaks. Do we really trust the private sector with our health services?

Brexit was my a question that needed answering it was niche conservative politics that a few already wealthy people made a lot of money from whist impoverishing the country as a whole with not a single upside in sight (for those taking back control, yep, I feel in more control!!)

and the referendum was treated like a a public school debate (good fight, no harm done..) unbelievable.

before anyone hurls the remainer insult, as a family we have dual nationality and largely can weather the storm but for others it is disaster, DC ushered this in.

Brexit was not a question that needed answering

Or simply included a minimum majority % that had to be reached for it to be acted upon - like, y'know, the Tories insist must happen with union ballots...

i can't post what I really think as mn hq delete it.
you miss someone who shut down debate on care because he "knew all about it"
vile man

Me too

I disagree about a GE because at the moment there's still a good chance the Tories would do pretty well simply beaches there's no real opposition - and that means another 4 years of this.

Labour need to pull their heads out their arses pronto.

Let's not forget Pitt the Younger.

DC and Osborne oversaw austerity which destroyed the lives of many, began the destruction of the NHS, closures of sure starts, police stations to name just a few.

On top of that he allowed Brexit to happen

Theresa May was the creator of the hostile involvement and the associated racist policies.

They're all disgusting human beings. Admittedly Truss is completely incompetent but who put her there? Fucking tories.

@girlmom21 Labour have a 17 point lead in the polls. It's fine to stop trotting out the line that there is no opposition.

TIME to stop now fine 🙄

Cameron's big mistake was to complacently assume that the British population would back remain.
He missed the point entirely, and I blame him alone for failing to question whether people had considered the difficulties of importing and exporting the amount of goods we do from Eu, what would the consequences of declaring these goods through Customs every time? Of the difficulties in travelling to Eu countries, how will it impact on holidays abroad? - all stuff folk had taken for granted as 'easy' for best part of 20 years, it was clear we could never return to that.
As for Boris, well he sat on the fence for ages before deciding which way to lay his cards, and knowing he had a greater following saw it as his opportunity to capture the mood of the moment vs a week, complacent Cameron to seize attention and the Brexit vote on his way to becoming PM. Upon learning Brexit was happening he chickened out of doing the deal in the knowledge he'd be the least popular PM of all time for failing to sorting the problem to anyone's satisfaction - so Theresa May was the fall guy, allowing Boris to step into the top slot once the Brexit deal had been done.

No. Labour have a 17 point lead in one poll.

Do you honestly think they'd win a GE if one was held tomorrow?

YABU.

He and his short term political opportunism paved the way for a lot of what has happened subsequently.

Completely agree with Jourdain.
Not only is the population ill-equipped to vote on a wide spectrum of issues, an unscrupulous government and media can have a field day with manipulation. If you are going to run referendums, then they need to be very strictly controlled. Remember a few years ago when Switzerland declared a referendum null and void because the population was ill-informed? That's the sort of measure we need. And the Swiss just got on with it. None of this putting on of parts because anyone has dared to suggest that people didn't know what they were voting for.

I don't miss any of the last three prime ministers. May was a shocker - her immigration policies were cruel, she sent out Amber Rudd to defend them and suppressed nine reports that concluded that immigration was a good thing for the country.

But we now don't even have a Tory government - we have an ERG government.