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Black Monday anyone? The tories should be in jail

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Upthebracket22 · 26/09/2022 06:51

The pound is now at its lowest point against the dollar since decimalisation in 1971 at 1.03. It’s probably going lower and the Bank of England will likely need to step in with an emergency interest rate rise today. Black Monday possibly?

All because of the mini budget on Friday. The Tories should be in jail. Especially if their rich backers were shorting the pound as it appears to get rich.

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greenhousegal · 27/09/2022 12:00

greenhousegal · 27/09/2022 11:59

And Chancellor is Kamikwarteng.

And Kamikwasi too.

vera99 · 27/09/2022 12:08

Abhannmor · 27/09/2022 11:54

Your political trajectory is like mine , Vera99. I was an old ANL trot too. And very suspicious of the EU or EEC as it was then called.

I canvassed for Labour in 83 and 87 and stayed up all night watching the blood run down the screens. A typical result would be :
Conservative 31, 000 , Labour 28, 000 , Liberal Alliance 26, 000. Thatcher got stonking majorities with 4 out of 10 votes.

Short of PR being introduced we would have to cooperate with other parties. But my fellow trade Unionists and party members were unconvinced back then. I remember being completely blanked when I raised it a meeting.

Likewise a bit of travel changed my views on the EU completely. Mrs T was a good teacher in retrospect. All it took was 18 years of corruption and futility. Hope its quicker this time.

Ps We have PR by Single Transferable Vote in Ireland. The constituency link is strong. It's not a magic bullet. But you can't become World King on 30% of the electorate either. Crank religious or anti immigration candidates do stand of course but , so far , none has got elected or anywhere near. If people know their vote isn't wasted they are less likely to go to extremes I guess

Happy days I remember when Kinnock lost walking from home in East Dulwich with a group of friends to Walworth Road tears streaming down my face to see him give his resignation speech from the steps of the then Labour Party HQ. Rock Against Racism was great fun though went to many gigs and concerts all over the country especially so in London where 'Red' Ken was in charge. I did mix with some unsavoury but pretty wild characters though one was picked up by Special Branch for an in-depth interview (he was CPGB) and they wanted to turn him into an informant!

A good starter for PR is you have to get over a 5% threshold to have representation that helps to keep the nut jobs from getting into the chamber.

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 12:10

I pay my taxes. It buys me civilisation.

That's a quote from the days of the Pharaohs.

bringincrazyback · 27/09/2022 12:12

waffless · 26/09/2022 10:52

I am pretty sure this place is full of Momentum members pushing the agenda all the time. I would rather die than vote Labour with the lot they currently have. Politics of hate and envy. See for example London with major Sadid Khan. London is open. Open to crime it seems.

Posters calling for death should be banned and investigated by the police. They are exactly the Labour”s vile and repugnant voters that make the Tories stay in power.

Are you honestly saying Truss's lot are preferable??! 🤔

poetryandwine · 27/09/2022 12:17

@Kissingfrogs25 is just back to being goady. There is no intellectual content or analytical thought to her posts today. It is really best to ignore her, unless she can up her game.

midgetastic · 27/09/2022 12:18

What hate policies do labour have ?

It's the tories who are sending people to Rwanda for starts

bringincrazyback · 27/09/2022 12:20

poetryandwine · 27/09/2022 12:17

@Kissingfrogs25 is just back to being goady. There is no intellectual content or analytical thought to her posts today. It is really best to ignore her, unless she can up her game.

Agree. She reminds me of when a small kid runs into a room and swears just to get a reaction from the grown-ups. 🙄

Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 12:22

midgetastic · 27/09/2022 12:18

What hate policies do labour have ?

It's the tories who are sending people to Rwanda for starts

They’ve gone awfully quiet on that front. I think it’s slipped down the back of the sofa - along with the £120 million they gave the Rwandan government.

bringincrazyback · 27/09/2022 12:26

Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 11:20

The current Labour Party is about as socialist as John Major’s government was. Socialism died with Blair.

This.

citroenpresse · 27/09/2022 12:35

If you trash the justice system and sack tens of thousands of police, maybe you become more 'open to crime'? What are non-Tories (ie the majority) exactly 'envious' of?

vera99 · 27/09/2022 12:37

bringincrazyback · 27/09/2022 12:12

Are you honestly saying Truss's lot are preferable??! 🤔

I would rather die than vote Labour don't worry when my mob get in we have a little list just like Peter Lilley back in 1986 - amazing how they still have all the same old tunes...

icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:42

Mortgages being pulled, now things are directly affecting the public, people might start to wake up to what a shit show this is.

Pedallleur · 27/09/2022 12:48

of course the good news is people are making money betting against the pound

www.ft.com/content/d54b4915-60a2-4f73-b1b9-6ea4b7523dd9

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 12:49

icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 12:42

Mortgages being pulled, now things are directly affecting the public, people might start to wake up to what a shit show this is.

I wonder how may sales will fall through ? How many chains broken ?

Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 12:51

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 12:49

I wonder how may sales will fall through ? How many chains broken ?

Not many. They’re just closed to new applications, that won’t apply to sales already going through. It will affect people wanting to remortgage and house hunters.

Pedallleur · 27/09/2022 12:52

Sorry that link is behind a pay wall. google Crispen Oday whose Hedge fund have just gone up 145% betting against the pound. Oddly our Chancellor used to work for Mr.Odey or
www.joe.co.uk/politics/brexiteers-are-making-millions-out-of-the-demise-of-the-british-economy-360421

the80sweregreat · 27/09/2022 12:53

Those on mortgage fixed rates won't find any good deals once that rate ends :(

Blossomtoes · 27/09/2022 12:57

I wonder how many people in the process of buying to upsize will now pull out. It would be moronic to buy at the top of the market with rising interest rates. They call it “catching a falling knife”, don’t they?

the80sweregreat · 27/09/2022 12:59

A few callers on lbc today were saying they are thinking twice now about moving.
It'll stagnate the market

j712adrian · 27/09/2022 13:03

Poll result similar to YouGov result today.

Where on earth is Truss?

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 27/09/2022 13:05

Pedallleur · 27/09/2022 12:48

of course the good news is people are making money betting against the pound

www.ft.com/content/d54b4915-60a2-4f73-b1b9-6ea4b7523dd9

Aww, that's a relief. Finally some positive news.

SerendipityJane · 27/09/2022 13:05

the80sweregreat · 27/09/2022 12:53

Those on mortgage fixed rates won't find any good deals once that rate ends :(

And those on fixed deals might find the small print kicks in and their rate goes up anyway.

j712adrian · 27/09/2022 13:05

vera99 · 27/09/2022 12:37

I would rather die than vote Labour don't worry when my mob get in we have a little list just like Peter Lilley back in 1986 - amazing how they still have all the same old tunes...

Odd way of seeing life that, as Lilley is as nutty now as he was then.

icelolly12 · 27/09/2022 13:05

Truss and Kwarteng seem to be under the illusion they are not answerable to the public. It's our money you're gambling with you f*ckers! 😡

vera99 · 27/09/2022 13:06

Pedallleur · 27/09/2022 12:52

Sorry that link is behind a pay wall. google Crispen Oday whose Hedge fund have just gone up 145% betting against the pound. Oddly our Chancellor used to work for Mr.Odey or
www.joe.co.uk/politics/brexiteers-are-making-millions-out-of-the-demise-of-the-british-economy-360421

I can bust all paywalls...

“Buy Hendry, founder of Eclectica Asset Management, which wound down its hedge fund in 2017. “It would be remiss of the foreign exchange community not to allow for [sterling] to trade back at parity with the dollar and possibly trade below that level in the short term.”Pilar Gomez-Bravo, director of fixed income for Europe at MFS Investment Management, has been shorting the pound for some time and increased this bet to the maximum allowed in her portfolio following Kwarteng’s announcement last week.She believes the pound could fall to parity with the dollar “and keep going unless there is a policy response” from the Bank of England or the government, although she added that she expected such a response to come.Odey said he expected the pound to “bounce around now” and that both sterling and gilts were getting closer to the point at which being short was no longer attractive. He said his bet against the pound was not magnified by using debt and had been bigger in the past.Odey said he did not have a trading advantage because Kwarteng previously worked as a consultant to Odey Asset Management.
“There’s a mad idea that one’s behind every twist and turn,” said Odey. “All I can do is catch the wind now and again.” ing sterling here is like licking honey from the razor’s edge,” said Hugh Hendry, founder of Eclectica Asset Management, which wound down its hedge fund in 2017. “It would be remiss of the foreign exchange community not to allow for [sterling] to trade back at parity with the dollar and possibly trade below that level in the short term.”

Pilar Gomez-Bravo, director of fixed income for Europe at MFS Investment Management, has been shorting the pound for some time and increased this bet to the maximum allowed in her portfolio following Kwarteng’s announcement last week.

She believes the pound could fall to parity with the dollar “and keep going unless there is a policy response” from the Bank of England or the government, although she added that she expected such a response to come.

Odey said he expected the pound to “bounce around now” and that both sterling and gilts were getting closer to the point at which being short was no longer attractive. He said his bet against the pound was not magnified by using debt and had been bigger in the past.

Odey said he did not have a trading advantage because Kwarteng previously worked as a consultant to Odey Asset Management.

“There’s a mad idea that one’s behind every twist and turn,” said Odey. “All I can do is catch the wind now and again.”

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