Aibu to be pissed off that vegetables and nuts aren't vegan?

[autyspauty]

I was watching a clip from QI where they said that avocados and other fruits and vegetables and nits aren't actually vegan because Bees are boxed up and sent to the farms/ orchards etc to pollinate the crops.

I can't believe it.

I'm not even vegan but I do my best to be as eco conscious as I can and there are just so many ways that even a peice of fruit is ladder with tonnes of CO2. Not only do I have to consider the moles my food has travelled to get to the warehouse/ factory to be transported to be packaged and then transported to the shops, but now I have to think about BEES being transported in lorries to pollinate the food before its even fucking grown?

You can't avoid plastic packaging on your food, you can't avoid air miles or road miles on your food but I didn't even think about the fucking road miles on the pollinators to pollinate the food.

There is a photo doing the rounds of a fruit cup picked in Thailand, packed in Venezuela and then shipped to US. Its a joke, the fruit in that cup has travelled more miles than most of the people buying it but you wouldn't even guess about the fucking Bees being shipped over to pollinate in the first place. (countries may be wrong but you get the ideA)

How do you think you get carrot seeds? Falling from heaven via a carrot fairy?

Same reason here. I settled for less meat and thats all. mostly I try to eat seasonal local and grow what I can. BUT I would say wearing leather is more 'vegan' than fake leather Because the cows are already killed for meat, and the product is longer lasting than the 'plastic' alternative.

I am objecting to the longer food miles. children are taught at school how food comes from farms and its all nice and roses and lovely buy in reality it's miles of one crop, sprayed with poison and i camt fucking believe we import Bees to fucking pollinate something they would do naturally I'd we could only mix and fucking match. It's the shock really.

I'm not actually that appalled for the Bees themselves but the fact that people have taken vegetables (which basically grow themselves) and fucked the eco system so much around them that they have to truck BEES! fucking Bees. its shocking.

I don't really give a fuck about vegans I'm not vegan but I do have a brain and my critical thinking skills only need 2 seconds to realise that this isn't good for anyone.

fairs fair. I was wrong.

this is it though isn't it? the cognitive dissonance when it comes to food production is that bad.

I grow food! But still seeds are brought by the magic seed fairy 🧚‍♀️ aka me at the shops

I do I know.
I've walked through the dead mice and it's sad as fuck.

But Bees come on. they do it for free. but we've fucked it so bad they need to be brought in.

why do you 'sound' so calm while I'm over here > hysterical Harry. 😂 I swear to god it seems like everything that is supposed to be good for the planet is actually bad. and when I say bad I mean bad. But leather and wool and fur (it's murder you know?) is good?
oh yes Teflon. can't afford to replace my cancer causing pots and pans. just avoid making custard because you can see the flecks of black in it, cone off the non stick.

Also if fruit n veg is grown using manure is it still vegan lol

That’s why I think it’s important to see how everything is linked and has an impact. A holistic view. And just do what you can as it’s impossible to do it all.

Intensive farming, over consumption, throwaway society all cause problems.

? It literally took me 3 minutes to watch a video, flick over to mumsnet and have a moan about it.

I agree it's first world because I Have a tiny computer in my hadn right now talking to a stranger on the Internet. mind blowing stuff.

But this is a World Wide Problem.
like, if pollinators keep declining everyone will starve. The flora, fauna and us. Food security could well be a big problem if we carry on.

And I grow what I can with my little tiny piece if land but I'm not a millionaire who can afford a few acres and all the time in the world.
I do what I can, more than I did but come on, it's a drop in the ocean.

Quite.
also avocados seem to be at the forefront of the Vegan 'movement'. when I dabbled (few weeks before I gave up on the idea) most of the 'how to start as a vegan' videos and articles started with avocado as a main source of 'good fat' and protein(?)

it just seems that every little thing I have or I buy seems to have a million ethical problems and it's all becoming a bit too much to keep up with.

one day I'd love to have a little market garden and a to y caravan for me and dh in the middle of all of our food, delivering groceries on our bike and cooking on gas from our special toilet but we don't have money in the bank so it's still just a dream.

I’d be more concerned about wax coatings on citrus if you are vegan and want to avoid animal products.

almond milk is particularly nasty as well for environmental impact and impact on insect populations

How ridiculous to be bothered by this. They can’t be sure and unfortunately it’s going to happen. Insects are everywhere but because the world turned into a giant wet wipe they have to put these warnings out so they don’t get sued.

I'm going to sound like even more of a cunt here but how the fuck did you know this?! I only happened to scroll past a video on Facebook of a QI 'joke'. It's not like it's made the news 'Bees are to be unsorted to grow food' and if it had been then I'm afraid I must have missed it. Why isn't it headline every day?! why isn't something done about it? like ficking plant something between the trees? like fucking stop using pesticides that fucking kill everything? like don't destroy the soil so we can't grow any more food.

how do you hear about this stuff?

oh also recycling isn't recycled either by the way, we produce so much rubbish that we send our recycling overseas. woohoo!

I suppose they can't all escape. how do you know where to go? wouldn't you be exhausted. a mouse on the ground can't see the edge of the field.
it's sad.

(I'm not vegan)

(I'm just really emotional)

Buy locally grown produce from the farm shop and/or grow your own?

I think this is where I am finding my problem.

alot of these things seem to be not widely known or discussed. it feels a bit slimey.

Especially as vegans is supposed to be the answer to climate change. Its often touted as ethical and now I'm thinking almond milk probably kills more than cow milk.

This is what I try and do. I eat meat but I shop local.

Pedant note, oats are wind pollinated and don’t require bees. Same with most grains, maize, corn.

Back in the day granny thought recycling rubbish was throwing it into the coal boiler which heated the water for washing up and bathing. Now a log burner is verboten according to many. My other granny had a big range coal fed which cooked meals, heated water, warmed up the home.

Electricity is okay if it comes from solar wind sources, my grannies who thought indoor plumbing was a luxury would be aghast at all our hair shirt attitudes

Pedant note, oats are wind pollinated and don’t require bees. Same with most grains, maize, corn.

But what about fertiliser?
And birds poop on crops...

now I'm thinking almond milk probably kills more than cow milk.

Almond milk takes a huge toll on the environment. Almond production in the Central Valley of California, where most of the world's almonds are grown, requires an insane amount of water.

A lot of ground nesting birds and mammals have the instinct to freeze in order to not trigger a pounce or attack from a predator - hares/leverets, deer/fawns, peewits, for example. Even chickens freeze when something they perceive threatens them/looms over them from above (it's a convenient way to catch them when they're refusing to go into their house). And a small creature compared to a bloody great combine has no way of knowing they need to run in a particular direction to get away from it or isn't large enough to cover the sort of distance needed to outrun it.

The vast majority of meat emissions come from the production, not the transport. For beef the getting it to you bit is like 1% of its footprint, so the "buy local" thing isn't really that big a deal from an emissions perspective.

Found the article ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

Environmentally, the "just buy local" thing has been being crapped on for a while. It sounds logical but apparently not.

Not true our Welsh lamb mostly exported because it's so expensive. It goes to auction I attend now and again, goes onto wagons alive and is shipped far and wide to be slaughtered wherever it lands up. It's worth £200 million a year to us in export

I was thinking more volume of seaweed products, not just sushi & samphire, such as kelp forests

I actually have some seaweed crisps