Kwarsi Kwarteng - is this what's coming next?

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This old BBC article from 2015 gives an interesting insight into Kwarsi Kwarteng's right-wing views on the welfare state:

BBC News - Turn benefits into repayable loan, says Tory group
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33092329

What comes next is a dramatic and sudden shrinking of the state. If you think things are bad now...

No one thinks, when I grow up, I want to go on benefits.

Little children want to rocket men, singers, waitresses, etc.
However it's also common to want to follow in mum or dadz foodtsep so breaking that cycle is important as well if they don't work.

But, many people on. benefits have some sort of Sen and did not get any support to access the curriculum,so they were locked out of learning.

I am a big believer in sorting this out at primary level, and I believe this will trickle up a d aide society.

yes!! I said this yesterday, my god Boris was horrendous but he did want to hear the crowd cheer for him to a certain degree- this is pure bulldozering over society.

and the benefits bill is so high because the average wage doesn’t support the cost of living. Housing being a huge sticking point and the Tories don’t ever tackle that!

Your entire post seeks to blame the state for the fact some people are on unemployment benefits. Out of interest to you think individuals have any agency or responsibilty at all?

Think it through.

Because they haven't yet had time to earn anything, and you can't ethically penalise a person for not doing something it is impossible for them to have done yet.

Obviously.

I'm sick of reading this kind of stupid shit. Benefits exist for very important reasons to protect the state, limit crime, increase national resilience and of course support individuals.

How are you getting a University to accept a kid with no qualifications by the way?

Absolutely, expect budget cuts for schools, NHS, basically everything.

They arent my favourite set of ideas. They are interesting but i there is a big grey area of people who just arent very employable but arent disabled.

I do think maternity pay being paid by the employer and claimed back by them is annoying and it would be better to come direct from the government.

I have to disagree to an extent. My exh daughter's had the same goal as their mum, half sisters etc. Leave school, get pregnant, get council flat and benefits. For a while, I lived in an area that the majority were at home and receipt of benefits. Many had followed this pattern.

@Desmorelda some struggle on benefits others do not thats where it is strange
My neighbour openly says he works min hrs so he doesn't loose benefits , his wife doesn't work , teenage kids
He has no disabilities but they have learnt how to play the system
My single parent friend struggles on benefits
My uncle pensioner now but never paid in much so gets pension credit etc has more of an income than my parents on two state pensions when you take into account rent/ c tax subsidised
There are people who choose not to work , but going to work should always pay and previously that hasn't always been the case
Its so complex though as all situations are different
The french system seems to work though, and yes we should be looking at how other countries doing better than us do

I blame the system yes for not identifying Sen earlier and offering support and flexibility to help those children learn.

100%.

How can a dyslexic child show agency and responsibility, when phonics is being forced upon them but they still can't read?
The amount of people in prison with low literacy is astonishing.

Yes people definitely need self responsibility, stop waiting to be told what to do etc but it's easier to do that armed with the basics in education like; being able to read.

And a good education requires funding.

Bumble,

First of all I said it's natural to want to follow in your parents, footsteps.

So if parents are on benefits then it's helpful to break that cycle but many people are on benefits because they have Sen
So to break the cycle we need to identify the Sen and teach them!

Life opens up more choices and chances when you can read.

I don't want Johnson back, I want a general election.

I wouldn't trust the electorate to vote this govt out. Brexit, then turkeys voting for Christmas again, or just no moral conscience for their less well off fellow man.

lots seem to want to blame the state, the council the school for their lazy feckless behaviour and the system is stack to discourage work and encourage playing it to maximise benefits and minimise work

ans I’m not talking about disability or sickness benefits.

yesterdays unfunded road crash of a budget will only put more strain on future generators.

#KamiKawrsi economics at its best.

the whole political system needs complete reform we have spent 40+ years in lots of short / medium term gains for very long term pain - privatisation, selling off gas / oil failing to invest / failing to invest / Brexit etc etc.

we are totally fucked.

Britannia Unchained is all about low tax, low regulation, minimal workers rights, small state, free market economics.

Singapore-on-Thames.

Perfect,

Unfortunately that's an excuse for many schools.
An excuse or maybe ignorance because for instance phonics isn't the only way to learn to read.
There is sight reading as well.

But there are other smaller tips that would help struggling DC that just require the knowledge to know them and flexibility.

@lannistunut she didn't say they had to go to uni just get a job
My.nieces current boyfriend has no job as he doesn't like work, he gets benefits and rents a house , he has had jobs but lasts a couple weeks then doesn't want to do it anymore as he wants to sit home smoking weed etc
He has no ambition for anything and comes from a family with a background of claiming benefits
Its sad really , my ds has gone to uni after working for a year to help subsidise , will come out with a huge debt and tax payers moaning about paying for his loan
Yet who will pay more back into the system
Its a minefield sorting it out but for years it was often better being in benefits for some

Oh yeah, that's another word used in some of the reviews of the BU book. "Divisive"

No one thinks, when I grow up, I want to go on benefits

Tiny dc, who want to be firemen and ballerina's, no.

This stage fades pretty quick though...I can assure you that there are plenty of tweens and very young teens who are fully aware of what benefits/state support they could get and their intention is to get it, encouraged by parents.

I saw it over and over growing up - the sheer amount of girls from my estate who would talk about, from the age of 11 or 12, being excited about leaving school and having a baby straight away so they could get their own council house, was unreal. It's a very real aim for many.

ERM backed Truss & Co are placeholders for Johnson's return, I believe.
Remember 'Hasta la vista, baby' ('I'll be back') ...

None of the current Tory party believe in public services and neither do many of the british public.

There is a thread now on a lack of ambulances, many posters saying "take them yourself"
Doubtless also believe in self dentistry, self learning, self surgery (sooo much can be gleaned from YouTube) self collection of rubbish etc etc.

With 100s of billions in extra borrowing, global markets loss of confidence in UK and 60 billion in tax cuts, there is not the money for the NHS, schools extra, so its inevitable there will be cuts and severe ones too.

I assume you have set up a free school for children with SEN, after all the country is crying out for them.

@TheRubyRedshoes were are your stats to say majority are SEN

But its also disrespectful to say people with SEN cannot work plenty do
My cousin has autism went to a special school etc but has a job in tesco parr time

@FruitPastilleNut thats the thing isn't it lots in here who claim thats totally untrue live in middle class england and not in these sort of areas
The cycle goes on and on and too many times i stood listening to this

@somewhereovertherain

• I am not on benefits but as a family we did receive tax credits for about 3 year's.

They were a life line at that time and although not much it was perfect amount.( It was our weekly food shop).

That was a decade ago and our situation has massively improved.

Both DH and I work full-time.

One DC had a reading age of 14 at 9
And similar spelling and is high achieving.
She is in an excellent school.

The other DC has suspected dyslexia and I've been down a rabbit hole with it.

I have been on my own trying to work out what's been going wrong for her.
I've had no support from the school and I've realised on this journey that other also have been on their own.

This has high lighted to me that thousands of DC like mine who only needed some small things tweaking to get into the curriculum and access it, won't have a me to help

Their own parents may struggle and can't help them.

That's the trap.
Unless you have been in it and thought...ok DC can't read why isn't more been done you don't realise there'is nosystem that kicks into help.

So children like my DC will be left floundering, unable to read ,self esteem crushed etc.

We are not on benefits, we work, we help our own DC

But it's easy to see what's happening out there and how people get stuck.