AIBU?
To say that when applying for jobs some people should just make more effort?
cocktailclub · 22/09/2022 05:52
I hear all the time that people have applied for 'hundreds' of jobs and not even had an interview. I hear this from graduates as well as more mature candidates.
I've been recruiting to my team over the last year and advertised about 7 or 8 roles. They BFF e been fairly popular and I have sifted around 120 cvs per role in the first two weeks.
My point is that only about 10% of applicants ensure their cv is tailored to the role.
I spend about 3 minutes looking at each applicant so need to be impressed quickly.
Most CVs start with a statement looking for a career in science' when the role is complaints manager for example.
By making a few changes to a CV so it highlights the skills for the role you want would be easy to do but very few even try.
So I'm not surprised people have no luck in their job search when they can't be bothered with the application.
AIBU to think this is the reason they are rejected?
Jasfc · 25/09/2022 21:34
Porcupineintherough · 25/09/2022 21:11
@Jasfc surely the answer is to tailor it to the one or two jobs each week you actually want and might get? And then spam another load of companies with your basic cv to make up numbers for he job centre.
What part of "I used to spend hours tailoring my CV to jobs I applied for (yes, strangely, I wanted and had a chance of getting all those jobs) only to hear zero back" do you not comprehend?
I am not wasting my time to get ghosted when applying for a job.
NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/09/2022 08:01
Porcupineintherough · 25/09/2022 18:39
Why would I spend more than 3 minutes reading about your generic career in marketing when I'm looking to hire a researcher? Why would I even spend 1?
SarahSissions · 24/09/2022 21:17
Oh fuck off.
you spend 3 minutes looking at a CV but want me to spend an hour tailoring my CV for you? Bollocks, it’s why I hate CVs going to HR rather than hiring managers who actually know what they are looking at.
Because somebody with so much marketing experience could have other skills that would be incredibly useful not just for a researcher, but for future roles within the organisation.
But that's the short-sightedness of recruitment these days. Everything is all about whether somebody has done the exact same job before and with no thought to progression/potential for the person or the company.
I'd still be out of work if one person - the manager, not a generic HR person or a computer program - hadn't read my CV and application and thought 'that could come in handy at some point'.
And when redundancy loomed, another manager read my CV - an utterly generic, just needed a job and didn't particularly care what it was as long as it meant I could pay my rent one - and decided that I'd probably be able to learn what was necessary as I'd done a whole bunch of unrelated jobs/got an unrelated bunch of qualifications in the past.
There were no online form submissions, no 'show how you meet every single bit of the four page specification in about 120 characters' (which you couldn't do unless you were saying you had done that exact job before) and the person who was going to be hiring me read all the applications, knowing the role and being able to think 'no direct experience, but this is interesting'.
Ineedaduvetday · 27/09/2022 19:14
Snoozer11 · 24/09/2022 03:09
All of these tailored CVs, questionnaires, online assessments, video interviews, telephone interviews, real life interviews, exams, psychometric tests, presentations, two-day assessment centres etc annoy me so much. They exist simply to give a lot of people with no discernable skill set a very well-paid job in HR.
@Snoozer11 So how would you whittle down 10,000 applications for 30 to 40 roles on a graduate scheme?
justasking111 · 27/09/2022 23:02
Ineedaduvetday · 27/09/2022 19:14
@Snoozer11 So how would you whittle down 10,000 applications for 30 to 40 roles on a graduate scheme?
Snoozer11 · 24/09/2022 03:09
All of these tailored CVs, questionnaires, online assessments, video interviews, telephone interviews, real life interviews, exams, psychometric tests, presentations, two-day assessment centres etc annoy me so much. They exist simply to give a lot of people with no discernable skill set a very well-paid job in HR.
Our charity were looking for 200 plus staff hired the local theatre and a job agency. It was the hardest two day exhibition type thing I've ever been involved in. Each department had round banqueting tables for applicants to visit and chat about the charity and it's responsibilities. Then they'd fill in a rough application for the agency to follow up. We couldn't have done it otherwise.
KatherineJaneway · 28/09/2022 12:24
justasking111 · 27/09/2022 23:02
Our charity were looking for 200 plus staff hired the local theatre and a job agency. It was the hardest two day exhibition type thing I've ever been involved in. Each department had round banqueting tables for applicants to visit and chat about the charity and it's responsibilities. Then they'd fill in a rough application for the agency to follow up. We couldn't have done it otherwise.
Ineedaduvetday · 27/09/2022 19:14
@Snoozer11 So how would you whittle down 10,000 applications for 30 to 40 roles on a graduate scheme?
Snoozer11 · 24/09/2022 03:09
All of these tailored CVs, questionnaires, online assessments, video interviews, telephone interviews, real life interviews, exams, psychometric tests, presentations, two-day assessment centres etc annoy me so much. They exist simply to give a lot of people with no discernable skill set a very well-paid job in HR.
Not feasible for a graduate scheme.
Lindy2 · 28/09/2022 14:14
Bubblebubblebah · 28/09/2022 14:09
How do people take hours to tailor a cv? Just change few words, highlight the most relevant skills for the particular job and that's it. Are people talking about cover letters?
Most of the jobs I applied for specifically said no CVs as applications. They each had their own ridiculously long online application form.
Copy and paste from the CV worked for some of it but there was an awful lot of "give an example of", "describe when you did xyz"-, "what would you do if...." type questions. All requiring a written tailored answer ( for 20 hour a week admin positions!)
sheepdogdelight · 28/09/2022 14:39
Copy and paste from the CV worked for some of it but there was an awful lot of "give an example of", "describe when you did xyz"-, "what would you do if...." type questions. All requiring a written tailored answer ( for 20 hour a week admin positions!)
But unless there was a genuine unusual question, these would have been questions asked on other applications forms, or would be have been things you'd prepared in expectation they would be asked at interview.
So really shouldn't be a lot of additional work
Bubblebubblebah · 28/09/2022 15:31
sheepdogdelight · 28/09/2022 14:39
Copy and paste from the CV worked for some of it but there was an awful lot of "give an example of", "describe when you did xyz"-, "what would you do if...." type questions. All requiring a written tailored answer ( for 20 hour a week admin positions!)
But unless there was a genuine unusual question, these would have been questions asked on other applications forms, or would be have been things you'd prepared in expectation they would be asked at interview.
So really shouldn't be a lot of additional work
I agree, Sheep.
The only ones who took me really a while were grad schemes.
So people don't mean tailoring cv, they mean it takes them time to answer application questions. Yes, that's not fee min job usually, but bar grad schemes I really didn't encounter some super ridiculous long ones or very unusual questions. I think lots have moved to a civil service style "give example when you lead a team through an issue/teamwork/leadership". I had few examples done and used them on different applications with maybe few words changing. It really saves time and can still be successful (going by the fact it did get me interviews)
thecatsthecats · 28/09/2022 16:11
NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/09/2022 08:01
Because somebody with so much marketing experience could have other skills that would be incredibly useful not just for a researcher, but for future roles within the organisation.
But that's the short-sightedness of recruitment these days. Everything is all about whether somebody has done the exact same job before and with no thought to progression/potential for the person or the company.
I'd still be out of work if one person - the manager, not a generic HR person or a computer program - hadn't read my CV and application and thought 'that could come in handy at some point'.
And when redundancy loomed, another manager read my CV - an utterly generic, just needed a job and didn't particularly care what it was as long as it meant I could pay my rent one - and decided that I'd probably be able to learn what was necessary as I'd done a whole bunch of unrelated jobs/got an unrelated bunch of qualifications in the past.
There were no online form submissions, no 'show how you meet every single bit of the four page specification in about 120 characters' (which you couldn't do unless you were saying you had done that exact job before) and the person who was going to be hiring me read all the applications, knowing the role and being able to think 'no direct experience, but this is interesting'.
Porcupineintherough · 25/09/2022 18:39
Why would I spend more than 3 minutes reading about your generic career in marketing when I'm looking to hire a researcher? Why would I even spend 1?
SarahSissions · 24/09/2022 21:17
Oh fuck off.
you spend 3 minutes looking at a CV but want me to spend an hour tailoring my CV for you? Bollocks, it’s why I hate CVs going to HR rather than hiring managers who actually know what they are looking at.
Not just recruitment.
My employer are deep in the shit with a few areas of the business, and in frustration I re-sent them my CV with relevant skills highlighted in, for example, contract management, bid management, social media management, website building. They're scrabbling around for funding when I'm sitting here able to help with all their problems.
I was idly imagining a system where you could drag and drop match your CV experience against job requirements - they ask for finance skills, you drop all your finance experience. They ask for admin you drop your admin. Etc etc.
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