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Do you think Putin will use nuclear weapons?

507 replies

colddayinhell · 21/09/2022 20:41

I'm getting very nervous about the ramping up of the war and Putin's calling up of 300,000 reservists. It feels like this is a major escalation. I know that any use of nuclear weapons would mean instant retaliation but it no longer feels like a MAD scenario as it almost feels now like he wants a scorched earth and has nothing to lose and doesn't care that it would destroy everything.

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MagicFox · 09/10/2022 18:23

Hawkins has been playing too much Call of Duty and has descended into first player madness. Best not to engage.

Greenshake · 09/10/2022 18:26

@MagicFox you are right. I will step aside. I just find it astounding that people can be so cavalier about this. It’s truly frightening.

MagicFox · 09/10/2022 18:27

I agree @Greenshake

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:28

MagicFox · 09/10/2022 18:23

Hawkins has been playing too much Call of Duty and has descended into first player madness. Best not to engage.

My idea for what I just spoke of, Daniel jackson, Stargate sg1, so absolute power, with the satellite weapon and what he did to Moscow

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 18:30

I think we can safely say @Hawkins001 has 0 understanding of geopolitics.

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:30

*ep

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:34

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 18:30

I think we can safely say @Hawkins001 has 0 understanding of geopolitics.

Yep not a clue, but always willing to learn

notimagain · 09/10/2022 18:36

@Hawkins001

I was thinking more along the lines of a conventional, number of troops from an air assault with the objective of taking out or capturing Putin.

I know that generally Russian Air Defence systems have only been performing slightly better than a chocolate fire guard over Ukraine but the idea of flying in waves of C-17s (or even one for that matter) into the Russian heartland to drop paras onto...well, where would the DZ be exactly? Then form up and march on the Kremlin, hoping Putin is in residence.... well, doesn't sound that great a plan to me.....

vera99 · 09/10/2022 18:41

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:28

My idea for what I just spoke of, Daniel jackson, Stargate sg1, so absolute power, with the satellite weapon and what he did to Moscow

Have you been drinking or taking drugs I have no idea of what the hell you are talking about and probably don't want to know. That said only China and India have a declared policy of 'no first use' so as to leave all options on the table and sow doubt in the enemy as to what tactics might be deployed at times of crisis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use

The Soviet Union was a more stable adversary back in the Cold War days as post-Stalin the President was more collegiate with the Politburo collectively taking decisions and with good lines of communication with the US. Under Putin's effective dictatorship these have broken down somewhat.

During the Vietnam War, the US did consider using nuclear weapons but thankfully never did or even come close to using them.

www.historynet.com/nuclear-weapons-vietnam/

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:47

vera99 · 09/10/2022 18:41

Have you been drinking or taking drugs I have no idea of what the hell you are talking about and probably don't want to know. That said only China and India have a declared policy of 'no first use' so as to leave all options on the table and sow doubt in the enemy as to what tactics might be deployed at times of crisis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use

The Soviet Union was a more stable adversary back in the Cold War days as post-Stalin the President was more collegiate with the Politburo collectively taking decisions and with good lines of communication with the US. Under Putin's effective dictatorship these have broken down somewhat.

During the Vietnam War, the US did consider using nuclear weapons but thankfully never did or even come close to using them.

www.historynet.com/nuclear-weapons-vietnam/

Always the official history, vs what are the real perspectives, gathered by our intelligence agencies

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 09/10/2022 18:51

There’s no need to “take out Moscow”.

The problem is Russia occupying Ukraine. Ukraine is capable of winning that fight with our indirect help - unless Russia resorts to the unthinkable.

Then we might need to directly help Ukraine take Russia out of their country. I believe we could achieve that relatively quickly and conventionally.

Pre-emptively whacking Moscow guarantees thousands of civillian deaths, but no guarantee Putin would be removed, it would result in Russia being given legitimate cause to go strategic and take us all out. There is no justification at all for Western allies to deploy a nuclear weapon first.

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 18:54

Greenshake · 09/10/2022 18:22

@Hawkins001 it is not for us to deal with Putin. It is for the Russian people. We CANNOT just start “taking out” world leaders. This isn’t a Bond film.

and yet we have various intelligence agencies with agents around the world, ect, we already play james bond

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 18:57

What are you on about @Hawkins001 ?

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 19:01

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 18:57

What are you on about @Hawkins001 ?

Just asked the question earlier, what would be the result if we took out Moscow

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 19:05

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 19:01

Just asked the question earlier, what would be the result if we took out Moscow

They would launch a retaliatory strike before our missiles even reached their target. It’s absolutely pointless.

notimagain · 09/10/2022 19:10

But you've had the most credible answers.

Nuclear Strike probably would mean WW III, might not kill Putin

Airborne Assault - I answered that - Might not kill Putin.

Massive Conventional Air strike - probably WW III again - might not kill Putin.

Getting much more fanciful Sending in a team of "them" or James Bond (that reminds me)..... Very tough to do, probably impossible without lots of inside..in which case why not get the inside help do the taking out in the first place ...and of course might not kill etc etc...

vera99 · 09/10/2022 19:11

Quora has considered this question and this is the highest upvoted response.

What would happen if America "accidentally" nuked Moscow?

I wouldn't even think of such a thing.

Because by the time the nuclear bomb entered the airspace right being blown out of its missile silo, countermeasures have already been made by the Russians. They are not as weak as Japan when it comes to countermissile technologies.

The question, if it ever happen, is an insult to the military capabilities of this state. Russia, although unlike the US in military might, is still capable of prolonging an impending nuclear war, at least more than two months. Their techs, though obsolete and ill-maintained, can still shoot down US hardware.
And, by the time the nuclear bomb is about to enter Moscow airspace, all government dignitaries have already been evacuated. Continuity of government is ensured. Russia is a city of secrets, so we, as foreign observers, can never really describe perfectly their anti-nuclear bomb emergency evacuation systems.
For those who say Russia will be nuking the US too, that's a big mistake. Russia, knowing its capabilities both economically and militarily, will not rush to declare war, because it will be overwhelmed, and will lose such war. We don't underestimate the former communist nation, but that's a well-calculated reality.

Russia needs to stay on top while the US loses its power to influence the world.
Putin the Strategist knew that the only way the world will fully trust Russia (and China) is by painting the US as the Imperialist War Lord, the Killer of Civilization, the War Hungry Nation, the Whatever-Bad-Thing.
And the largest evidence to support that is for the world to see a picture of a nuke-torn, nuke-destroyed Moscow.

notimagain · 09/10/2022 19:14

Blimey Vera ....

Quora has considered this question and this is the highest upvoted response

I think I need eye bleach having read that pile of....

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 19:15

The US are not going to launch any sort of attack on Russia. They’ve been extremely careful, alongside their NATO allies, with their risk analysis even in terms of what weapons to supply to the Ukrainians.

Igotjelly · 09/10/2022 19:16

If they aren’t prepared to provide a no fly zone over Ukraine they most certainly aren’t going to attack Moscow.

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 19:19

notimagain · 09/10/2022 19:10

But you've had the most credible answers.

Nuclear Strike probably would mean WW III, might not kill Putin

Airborne Assault - I answered that - Might not kill Putin.

Massive Conventional Air strike - probably WW III again - might not kill Putin.

Getting much more fanciful Sending in a team of "them" or James Bond (that reminds me)..... Very tough to do, probably impossible without lots of inside..in which case why not get the inside help do the taking out in the first place ...and of course might not kill etc etc...

The perspectives are appreciated. And yes I'm strange to the hills.

MsBombastic555 · 09/10/2022 19:21

I don't think the media should be hyping it up and worrying people unececessarily. I really wish someone would put him (Putin) out of misery. Developed countries don't want war hence the thousands of conscription age soldiers trying to flee the border.

vera99 · 09/10/2022 19:29

notimagain · 09/10/2022 19:14

Blimey Vera ....

Quora has considered this question and this is the highest upvoted response

I think I need eye bleach having read that pile of....

It's a bit rough for sure but google threw it up as the highest-ranked answer. It never lets me down when I'm looking for a restaurant...

vera99 · 09/10/2022 19:30

Hawkins001 · 09/10/2022 19:19

The perspectives are appreciated. And yes I'm strange to the hills.

I've always wished I could knit but it seems like a lot of hassle when you've got Primark.

MsBombastic555 · 09/10/2022 19:48

vera99 · 09/10/2022 06:10

North Korea is chucking missiles over Japan, and Iran is close to getting nukes and has the delivery mechanisms to put missiles straight onto their targets (when they responded to the death of General Salemi and evaded US anti-missile systems and had a direct hit on a US base). India and Pakistan have frequent border skirmishes as does China with India and China itself is waiting for it's moment to reunite Taiwan with the motherland.

Meanwhile, a Harvard Professor has asserted there is a 10-20% chance of Russia using nukes in Ukraine whilst Biden lets slip that Putin isn't bluffing and there is a possibility of nuclear armageddon. There is obviously nothing that we as mere plebs can do about this but without doubt, this is the most serious threat to global peace in my 62 years and is looking like an increasing series of dodged bullets. So much for the post-pandemic roaring twenties that pundits were predicting no to so long ago and fuck Putin for his deranged warmongering.

I was a CND member in my youth but now they seem to be almost invisible and somewhat naive. Fuck men and their warmongering ways it's not as if we aren't facing climate catastrophe as a global problem to solve and then this shit blows up.

cnduk.org/

You're speaking straight facts.