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To think I'm not mental?

122 replies

Maybemental123 · 20/09/2022 20:39

I was chatting to my DH today about an "episode" I had the other day. I wouldn't call it "normal" but I also don't think it means I have some sort of disorder. Basically I had a very vivid imagination episode where I could see souls ascending to heaven. My DH said it was definitely not normal, but also no need to be concerned.

OP posts:
Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 12:27

But I didn't think that was actually happening, there was no disassociation at all.

OP posts:
Kanaloa · 21/09/2022 13:04

mustbetheseasonofthewitch · 21/09/2022 12:16

People have been having visions for thousands of years. Women in the past have found themselves locked in insane asylums for years if not life for mentioning them, which I find more disturbing than someone offering caution in who to disclose this sort of thing to - the sort of people who have the power to lock you up. Not that people who really need help can necessarily find a mental health bed these days, even for a short stay.

It might be worth being checked over by a neurologist, to be on the safe side. I have heard that temporal lobe epilepsy can cause these sorts of symptoms.

What are you talking about? Nobody’s going to yellow wallpaper her. You don’t mention hallucinations and then immediately find yourself locked up in a Victorian asylum for life. Either way when you cause a 12 car pileup because you’re busy watching should ascending to heaven while driving you could end up worse than locked up.

Kanaloa · 21/09/2022 13:04

And how is women being locked up in the past relevant to somebody suggesting lying to doctors because your hallucinations are probably really visions a la Teresa of Avila?

SpinCityBlues · 21/09/2022 13:13

Floweryflora · 21/09/2022 12:22

No one is locking anyone up for saying they hallucinated about souls ascending to heaven on the north circular for gods sake/

More likely to get Netflix and Spotify deals

SpinCityBlues · 21/09/2022 13:16

@Maybemental123 Do all the medical professionals that you've talked to about your hallucinations know that you're driving? Specifically, does your GP know that you're driving? Have you actually told him or her that you have hallucinated while driving?

Blueberrywitch · 21/09/2022 13:16

This sounds v cool. Have you considered the possibility that you are a magical witch and your letter to hogwarts got lost in the mail?

mustbetheseasonofthewitch · 21/09/2022 13:24

Kanaloa · 21/09/2022 13:04

What are you talking about? Nobody’s going to yellow wallpaper her. You don’t mention hallucinations and then immediately find yourself locked up in a Victorian asylum for life. Either way when you cause a 12 car pileup because you’re busy watching should ascending to heaven while driving you could end up worse than locked up.

Oh bless, you seemed to have missed the phrase in the past.

SpinCityBlues · 21/09/2022 13:42

mustbetheseasonofthewitch · 21/09/2022 13:24

Oh bless, you seemed to have missed the phrase in the past.

What like St Theresa of Avila

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 13:54

I've told them about the migraines (which are extremely dangerous when driving as there no warning and I simply can't see at all). And they were "it's normal/nothing we can do about them".

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Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:35

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 13:54

I've told them about the migraines (which are extremely dangerous when driving as there no warning and I simply can't see at all). And they were "it's normal/nothing we can do about them".

Really?

They have a duty to report you to DVLA

in any event, you should just stop driving full stop on your own initiative

do you have children op?

Vincitveritas · 21/09/2022 14:45

That's very irresponsible, you need a second opinion. The Migraine Trust say:

'You must notify the DVLA in England, Wales and Scotland (in writing) if your migraine attacks are sudden and disabling or are likely to be a source of danger to the public or if your doctor tells you to. If you have notified the DVLA and your migraine attacks become worse than previously disclosed to the DVLA you should contact them again.'

Migraines that come on out of the blue and cause temporary blindness would definitely qualify! That's on top of the other visual disturbances you've been experiencing. It's time to hang up your keys until this is sorted OP, for your own safety and everyone else on the road.

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 14:46

Yes I have children, and no NOBODY seemed to be bothered about mi migraine with aura.

Anywho, this last episode wasn't a hallucination because I was able to recreate it while sitting in my garden and listening to the same song. The guitar chords remind me of the flickering of a flame, which I assume is what "triggered" it. I assume one can't willfully hallucinate, so it most be a very vivid imagination (or synesthesia as it relates to the music and chords progression).

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Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:49

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 14:46

Yes I have children, and no NOBODY seemed to be bothered about mi migraine with aura.

Anywho, this last episode wasn't a hallucination because I was able to recreate it while sitting in my garden and listening to the same song. The guitar chords remind me of the flickering of a flame, which I assume is what "triggered" it. I assume one can't willfully hallucinate, so it most be a very vivid imagination (or synesthesia as it relates to the music and chords progression).

But YOU are bothered.

so you should stop driving

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 14:50

Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:35

Really?

They have a duty to report you to DVLA

in any event, you should just stop driving full stop on your own initiative

do you have children op?

Only need to inform DVLA if migraines are “sudden and disabling or are likely to be a source of danger to the public or if your doctor tells you to.”

Obviously managing migraines safely if driving & around driving goes without saying.

But suffering from them per se does not mean you need to inform DVLA unless they are severe & disabling.

migrainetrust.org/live-with-migraine/self-management/migraine-and-driving/

Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:51

which are extremely dangerous when driving as there no warning and I simply can't see at all

you say NOBODY is concerned

but clearly you, the driver, is profoundly concerned. As I would be, especially with my children in the car

Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:52

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 14:50

Only need to inform DVLA if migraines are “sudden and disabling or are likely to be a source of danger to the public or if your doctor tells you to.”

Obviously managing migraines safely if driving & around driving goes without saying.

But suffering from them per se does not mean you need to inform DVLA unless they are severe & disabling.

migrainetrust.org/live-with-migraine/self-management/migraine-and-driving/

which are extremely dangerous when driving as there no warning and I simply can't see at all

that doesn’t sound like a source of danger to you?

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 14:52

I get neurological symptoms with my iron deficiency/anemia and the hematologist reject the referral! This "rapture" episode is completely unrelated. The migraine has only happened twice (within a 5 day period) when I had no iron left in my body. They don't let me go as low anymore, so that's at least sorted (I still get other neurological symptoms but nothing to worry about).

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Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 14:53

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 14:50

Only need to inform DVLA if migraines are “sudden and disabling or are likely to be a source of danger to the public or if your doctor tells you to.”

Obviously managing migraines safely if driving & around driving goes without saying.

But suffering from them per se does not mean you need to inform DVLA unless they are severe & disabling.

migrainetrust.org/live-with-migraine/self-management/migraine-and-driving/

And literally precisely fits the “sudden and disabiling” description

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 14:56

….“If you do experience an attack while driving you should stop your car and immediately treat your migraine.
You should not resume driving until the attack is over and you are sure that your medications will not interfere with your ability to drive. Therefore it’s important to check if any migraine medication you take has this effect.
As migraine attacks can occur at any time, we would recommend having a plan in place as to what you would do if you had a migraine attack and were driving or needed to drive somewhere”

Would assume OP follows this advice for self management & is clearly under care of professionals who have not advised she stop driving at present.

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 14:56

I'm bothered that nobody seems to care about my health, not the migraines... To me they're just a one symptom that has only happened twice within a very short window. (I wasn't driving when it happened, I was working at home).

I usually use it as an argument that my trust needs to DO something, but they do anything, and I've sorted that out myself.

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Kanaloa · 21/09/2022 14:57

mustbetheseasonofthewitch · 21/09/2022 13:24

Oh bless, you seemed to have missed the phrase in the past.

No I caught that very well. I was asking how something that happened in the past is relevant to lying about hallucinations in the present. Bless, you seem to be a bit too thick to conceptualise that.

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 15:00

And literally precisely fits the “sudden and disabiling” description

I think the criteria are “severe & disabling” not sudden.

I don’t doubt it’s a safety risk - what if you have an unusually severe episode out of the blue that you cannot predict?

But I don’t think OP is obliged to inform DVLA herself but could always choose to stop driving if does feel unsafe (to self/others) etc

Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 15:03

Maybemental123 · 21/09/2022 14:56

I'm bothered that nobody seems to care about my health, not the migraines... To me they're just a one symptom that has only happened twice within a very short window. (I wasn't driving when it happened, I was working at home).

I usually use it as an argument that my trust needs to DO something, but they do anything, and I've sorted that out myself.

Well as a road user, I am concerned about your migraines

Doingprettywellthanks · 21/09/2022 15:05

LicoricePizza · 21/09/2022 15:00

And literally precisely fits the “sudden and disabiling” description

I think the criteria are “severe & disabling” not sudden.

I don’t doubt it’s a safety risk - what if you have an unusually severe episode out of the blue that you cannot predict?

But I don’t think OP is obliged to inform DVLA herself but could always choose to stop driving if does feel unsafe (to self/others) etc

No it is not “severe”

it is “sudden”

You must notify the DVLA in England, Wales and Scotland (in writing) if your migraine attacks are sudden and disabling or are likely to be a source of danger to the public or if your doctor tells you to

Vincitveritas · 21/09/2022 15:10

Yes 'sudden' and it says YOU must inform them, not a doctor, but the driver themselves.