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School is awful!

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anerki101 · 20/09/2022 09:56

DS has just started his second week in reception. It'd bloody awful, miserable and I hate every moment of it.

Firstly, getting up early is just dreadful. I'm not a morning person. I can set various different alarms, with different tones on different devices and I don't hear a single one. I have to rely on poor DH to wake me up. Sometimes I don't hear him and he has to flick me with water.

Before I had DS I had this problem with working FT too. The drudge of waking up at an ungodly hour five days a week. Spending all day in an environment you'd rather not be in with people you'd rather not be with. I'm terrible with routine and having commitments.

Then there's navigating the school run which is the worst kind of torture and you have to do it twice a day. Getting there early enough to find somewhere within walking distance to park or end up trudging miles in the pissing rain. All the parents seem to know each other already and stand around chatting in cliques.

DS is incredibly shy and struggle socially. He seems to get overlooked, forgotten and ignored. I worry dreadfully about him. He doesn't know how to interact with the other children. I fear he's going to get lost in the system both socially and educationally. He didn't eat his Yoghurt one day at school because he couldn't open it. My fault for sending something he couldn't open but I felt terrible he wasn't confident enough to ask one of the lunch time supervisors for help.

I can't help but feel it's wrong as a society that we inflict this on our four year old children. Dragging them out of bed when it's still dark, ignoring their natural body clock, shoving a slice of toast down their throats and sending them off into an unfamiliar environment five days a week. DS has only just turned four and can't yet wipe his own bum. I dread him doing a poo at school and prey that he at least does it towards the end of the day so he doesn't have to spend long covered in his own shit. He still has to be reminded to drink and every day so far he's come home with his water bottle still full to the rim.

It feels so wrong to send a just turned four year old into an environment where he has no help with wiping his bum and no encouragement to drink.

Before anyone starts, I don't for one minute blame the school or DS' teachers. They are brilliant. My issue is with the system itself. The society that requires us to send our children into this environment.

Yes, I know I don't have to. I could homeschool. But it's not that easy is it. Society isn't set up for parents to home school. Mostly, both parents need to work outside the home full time just to keep a roof over their heads.

Nursery was a far better environment. Ds went 15 hours a week. Enough for him to spend time with people outside rhe immediate family and enough for me to have a bit of time to get things done without him in tow. We could choose the hours best suited to us and what worked best for DS. Drinking wasn't an issue. He had help when using the toilet.

I know there was the option to defer school for a year and keep him in nursery for another year but we simply couldn't afford to do this. Also, DS was ready for school in an educational sense just not in an emotional and social sense.

The house feels empty without him too. I feel his absence in the silence.

Just musing really. It's nice to get my thoughts out.

Every day I pick him up from school he isn't himself. He's tired and emotional and has a tantrum over something minor before we've even walked through the front door. It's like he's holding himself in all day and letting it out when he's back with me.

He didn't even manage the first week at school, he caught covid on day four!

OP posts:
user1492809438 · 20/09/2022 13:55

Depending on his birthday, you didn't have to send him to school in September. Just tell the school yes of course he'll be part of this year's intake...then send him after Christmas. In any event he should be on half days, 1 o'clock pick up for at least the first week.

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 13:57

piegone · 20/09/2022 13:49

@JenJones5

No-one who struggled at school themselves should be home-schooling their children.

It's because I struggled with school myself thatI finally recognised the damage it was doing my youngest daughter.

You don't get to judge my ability to educate based on a system that failed me time and time again. Fuck that bullshit.

Of course I do, why would you possibly think otherwise?

It’s so sad to see issues with education getting baked into the generations like this.

LaJoconde · 20/09/2022 13:58

@anerki101 school isn’t awful btw.
your response to it could do with a tweak.
your ds needs to go to school.
I think you could do with some help. Make an appointment with you GP and read her this thread.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:02

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 13:57

Of course I do, why would you possibly think otherwise?

It’s so sad to see issues with education getting baked into the generations like this.

This is quite possibly one of the most narrow minded views on education I've ever read.

It's simply astonishing that you think bunging 30 + children into a classroom with a single teacher is the best way to educate a child and that you are suggesting that the PP who has worked out what is best for their child is somehow condemning their child.

What's sad is your attitude and lack of flexible thinking.

piegone · 20/09/2022 14:04

@lifeturnsonadime

Some people just don't have a clue. Ironic that they were suggesting I'm not fit to home ed because of my own horrific school experience 30 years ago Confused

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 14:05

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:02

This is quite possibly one of the most narrow minded views on education I've ever read.

It's simply astonishing that you think bunging 30 + children into a classroom with a single teacher is the best way to educate a child and that you are suggesting that the PP who has worked out what is best for their child is somehow condemning their child.

What's sad is your attitude and lack of flexible thinking.

You’re right of course, it’s those of us with the doctorates and good careers who don’t get it, and those who failed badly and have few qualifications who really understand what a good education’s about.

I’m sure your home-educated children will follow you into jet engine design in due course…

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 14:06

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 13:57

Of course I do, why would you possibly think otherwise?

It’s so sad to see issues with education getting baked into the generations like this.

I agree. I hated school, struggled with the transitions from Infants to Juniors then Juniors to Secondary. Spent the last few years mainly off school constantly because I had depression and anxiety which back then was not something they diagnosed freely. Plus I was a shy quiet child. I can say my experience of school was not great.

However, schools are different now and much more focused on the children's wellbeing as well as education. My dc have thrived at school and I did all I could to make sure it was a positive place for them to go. I could have said, based on my experience, no they aren't going because school is horrible! But that isn't usually in the best interests of the child.

piegone · 20/09/2022 14:09

@JenJones5

You’re right of course, it’s those of us with the doctorates and good careers who don’t get it, and those who failed badly and have few qualifications who really understand what a good education’s about.

How about stopping the 'I'm better than you' shit?

Did I fail badly? I think I said the system failed ME.

That's not the same - has a doctorate but not able to think - yep. Makes sense.

Do you know anything about my career? About my qualifications? What makes you think I don't understand a good education?

School failed me badly. That doesn't mean I am doing wrong by my child, doesn't mean I am unable to home Ed, and it absolutely does not make you and your bloody doctorate better than me.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:12

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 14:05

You’re right of course, it’s those of us with the doctorates and good careers who don’t get it, and those who failed badly and have few qualifications who really understand what a good education’s about.

I’m sure your home-educated children will follow you into jet engine design in due course…

Oh my days , you think I can't possibly be university educated and have a career because I have chosen to home educate?

Funniest thing I've read in ages.

My home educated child has gone to 6th form to study the Classics, Politics and Psychology and is aiming for a Russell Group University.

Even though we are educated to at least the same standard as you are we know that there are many families of diverse backgrounds who are equally as capable of home educating their children to a better standard than they would receive at school.

It's a shame that you weren't taught flexible thought as a part of your doctorate!

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:14

Oh and manners and to tone down your superiority complex!

Blueberrywitch · 20/09/2022 14:17

I understand that your DH doesn’t want home school but could you comprise and home school until your DS is 6? He will hardly miss out on much math in the first two years and I’m sure you can cover the math up to age 6.

Favouritefruits · 20/09/2022 14:23

I don’t understand why you are getting up so early, if you need to be out of the house for 8.15 get up at 7.30 why do you need so much time in the morning, wake up 7.30, wash and teeth 7.45 get dressed 7.55 that gives you 20mins to faff about in.

Mythreeknights · 20/09/2022 14:24

To need to be flicked with water to be woken up doesn't sound that normal!

Beseen22 · 20/09/2022 14:30

My DH suffers with panic disorder and severe anxiety and a lot of what you are saying is very similar to the language he uses when his anxiety is poorly controlled. So for example prior to everything kicking off he had a 30 minute rant about the price of lurpak. Now I get that there is a cost of living crisis but a. We could afford lurpak if we wanted to and b. His reaction was completely out of proportion to the problem at hand. We are working through things but for a while I could see that he had become very dependant of me for little tasks that realistically he could have handled himself.

I just felt that was a little mirrored in your post...most people I know had a similar problem to the yoghurt incident in the first few days so they either taught them how to open them, sent something else or had a quick word with the teacher. It is an example of the change from nursery to primary school, not an indication that it's entirely wrong that 4yos go to school. Toileting, again very common especially with little boys. The DH waking you up thing very much reminded me of my situation, if push came to shove and you had a funeral or job interview at 9 of course you could get up but you have become reliant on your husband.

If that is the case I am so sorry that anxiety is affecting you, if I could take it away from my husband and take it on myself I would in a second. For missing your little boy yes I'm not sure that ever stops, I wish I could text mine with all the jokes I see when he's at school that I know he would love.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:38

However, schools are different now and much more focused on the children's wellbeing as well as education

It may interest you to know that there are 30,000 families in the UK who are members of a support group called 'Not Fine in School'. Many of these children are neurodiverse or have anxiety or other mental health issues. For these children school is not a safe place. This problem has increased in recent years due to cuts in SEN provision and cuts in spending on things like Music and Art and other extra-curricular activities.

For many children with SEN, particularly bright autistic children school is a terrifying place and is entirely the wrong environment for them to learn and thrive.

Many children are effectively off rolled due to the fact that there isn't enough focus on their wellbeing.

For many of these children home education is by far the best way for them to learn, my child included.

The only homeschooling regret I have is that I didn't start it sooner. I started home educating my eldest when he was 10 rather than immediately in reception when there were signs that he was not settling.

Home education is a wonderful way for a child to be educated if it is possible to do so. There is so much misinformation on here about negative impacts this might have on socialisation or the types of families who choose to home educate.

Home educated children can and do go on to have successful university careers, many home educated children take formal exams BEFORE their school educated peers. Other home educated children focus less on formal exams and more on their interests and end up working in fields that they are passionate about.

I am not saying that it is necessarily right for OP and her child and I'm not trying to hijack this post but some of the negative home education assumptions on here need addressing, the most ridiculous one of which being that an adult who struggled in school would be the worst person to home educate!

unicormb · 20/09/2022 14:45

Erm,@Rosewaterblossom the OP is pretty sure they are neurodiverse and I am choosing to believe them and offer advice on that basis.

Given that I haven't advised them to do anything other than perhaps investigate the possibility of being autistic or having ADHD, I don't think that I have been untoward or irresponsible.

Whisperedew · 20/09/2022 14:45

@Beseen22 that is strange. I completely agree with Op and said I could even write that myself. I have panic disorder and agoraphobia

FluffingtonMuffington · 20/09/2022 15:03

I am not a morning person and I hate it too.

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 15:10

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 14:38

However, schools are different now and much more focused on the children's wellbeing as well as education

It may interest you to know that there are 30,000 families in the UK who are members of a support group called 'Not Fine in School'. Many of these children are neurodiverse or have anxiety or other mental health issues. For these children school is not a safe place. This problem has increased in recent years due to cuts in SEN provision and cuts in spending on things like Music and Art and other extra-curricular activities.

For many children with SEN, particularly bright autistic children school is a terrifying place and is entirely the wrong environment for them to learn and thrive.

Many children are effectively off rolled due to the fact that there isn't enough focus on their wellbeing.

For many of these children home education is by far the best way for them to learn, my child included.

The only homeschooling regret I have is that I didn't start it sooner. I started home educating my eldest when he was 10 rather than immediately in reception when there were signs that he was not settling.

Home education is a wonderful way for a child to be educated if it is possible to do so. There is so much misinformation on here about negative impacts this might have on socialisation or the types of families who choose to home educate.

Home educated children can and do go on to have successful university careers, many home educated children take formal exams BEFORE their school educated peers. Other home educated children focus less on formal exams and more on their interests and end up working in fields that they are passionate about.

I am not saying that it is necessarily right for OP and her child and I'm not trying to hijack this post but some of the negative home education assumptions on here need addressing, the most ridiculous one of which being that an adult who struggled in school would be the worst person to home educate!

It's not perfect no and there still a way to go. However, the focus on children's wellbeing has improved greatly, even in the 20 odd years since I left school. Like I said, there's still a way to go, but choosing to home ed your child purely because the parent had a bad experience at school is directly projecting there own bad experience onto them. Choosing to home ed because that is best for that child is a different scenario altogether.

Rosewaterblossom · 20/09/2022 15:12

unicormb · 20/09/2022 14:45

Erm,@Rosewaterblossom the OP is pretty sure they are neurodiverse and I am choosing to believe them and offer advice on that basis.

Given that I haven't advised them to do anything other than perhaps investigate the possibility of being autistic or having ADHD, I don't think that I have been untoward or irresponsible.

Self diagnosis is not good either. The OP may see her GP, go for tests and be diagnosed with something completely different.

Floweryflora · 20/09/2022 15:23

Quite shocked at some of these posts encouraging the op to homeschool due to her struggles, the op should be urged to get more help and the child prioritised in what’s right for them. Clearly that’s not home schooling in this situation.

unicormb · 20/09/2022 15:25

Yes and I'm encouraging her to go to her GP. You don't go to your GP with a stomach symptoms unless you think there might be something wrong with your stomach, right? You're open to whatever they suggest but the issue is almost certainly what you think it is, or similar. Same with autism or ADHD. I'm not diagnosing them.

lifeturnsonadime · 20/09/2022 15:27

However, the focus on children's wellbeing has improved greatly, even in the 20 odd years since I left school

You seriously think that reducing funding for music and arts in schools and SEN cuts has increased the focus on children's wellbeing in the 20 odd years since you left school? Any buzz words that are currently being used in schools are a sign that mental health of.children in schools is on the decline not improving! They can have as many nurturing groups as they like but schools are not meeting the needs of children by shoving 30 + kids of differing needs and abilities into a room with a teacher who cannot possibly teach to every child's needs and abilities.

Thepeopleversuswork · 20/09/2022 15:32

Floweryflora · 20/09/2022 15:23

Quite shocked at some of these posts encouraging the op to homeschool due to her struggles, the op should be urged to get more help and the child prioritised in what’s right for them. Clearly that’s not home schooling in this situation.

I agree. Based on the OP's post (and subsequent ones) I don't think she would be cut out for home schooling.

Home schooling isn't just a get out of jail free for people who don't like formal education. It requires a huge amount of organisation and planning which clearly isn't the OP's strong point.

StridTheKiller · 20/09/2022 15:33

You sound very lazy OP. And get your son fully toilet trained.

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