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To wonder why Princess Anne wears military uniform - when she has never served

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Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 10:13

I love the Royals, and feel very sorry for their current awful situation, so is not intended as a bash against Princess Anne or any of them

but - I do not understand why Princess Anne wears Military Uniform in the procession, never having served in the military - and Prince Harry was not able to , even though he has done two tours

I get Princess Anne has honorary titles, but 'honorary' titles but claiming this, IMO, doesn't really do justice to the men & women who have actually served - It feels like it is making a mockery if someone who has not done the same, can put the Uniform on

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NiqueNique · 16/09/2022 11:06

How on earth have I patronised or, more laughably, bullied you? Honestly, don’t be ridiculous. I answered your question and I suggested that if you do not understand it in fullness you could research it yourself instead of expecting me to do a whole lot of intricate work for you. I don’t think that’s unreasonable of me.

If that makes you feel bullied, well I don’t really know what to say to that. I’ll leave you to your thread now.

Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 11:06

NiqueNique · 16/09/2022 11:06

How on earth have I patronised or, more laughably, bullied you? Honestly, don’t be ridiculous. I answered your question and I suggested that if you do not understand it in fullness you could research it yourself instead of expecting me to do a whole lot of intricate work for you. I don’t think that’s unreasonable of me.

If that makes you feel bullied, well I don’t really know what to say to that. I’ll leave you to your thread now.

Bye now, take care

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TrashyPanda · 16/09/2022 11:07

Princess Anne has never served. Other than holding honorary titles

that counts as serving.

those honorary titles are why Harry wore uniform at ceremonial events after he had left the service,

Harry chose to give up his honourary military positions, so of course he can no longer wear those uniforms.

HeadNorth · 16/09/2022 11:08

Because the RF like playing dress up to make themselves look more important - it's pathetic really. She might as well wear a chicken suit for all the meaning it has. But see how the servile love it anyway - some people love the idea that the RF is born to rule over us, thus free to wear what ridiculous tendy medals and uniforms they choose, based on silly arcae rules they made.

UnclePastuso · 16/09/2022 11:09

There are quite clear guidelines for the military which apply to everyone. My friend’s DH left military service for a similar but civilian role and they got married on the last day they were able to where he could still wear his uniform to the wedding.

TrashyPanda · 16/09/2022 11:14

Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 10:47

Maybe you can enlighten me

Well, you have to go back to the feudal system, by which the Monarch gave the dominium utile of land to his vassals, with a reddendo of military service when required, while retaining the dominium directum.

thats why the principles of ultimate haeres and bona vacantia still operate.

Novella4 · 16/09/2022 11:14

HeadNorth · 16/09/2022 11:08

Because the RF like playing dress up to make themselves look more important - it's pathetic really. She might as well wear a chicken suit for all the meaning it has. But see how the servile love it anyway - some people love the idea that the RF is born to rule over us, thus free to wear what ridiculous tendy medals and uniforms they choose, based on silly arcae rules they made.

This

ChocolateCakeYum · 16/09/2022 11:18

Can someone explain why Harry and Andrew aren’t allowed to wear uniform when following the coffin but are allowed to wear it when standing vigil besides the coffin in Westminster Great Hall?

TrashyPanda · 16/09/2022 11:20

Because the King (head of all forces) has given them special permission.

marcopront · 16/09/2022 11:20

@Bankcockbabe

*I feel sorry for Harry too, to be honest.

I think I always have.*

Do you feel sorry for everyone who has resigned from a job and is no longer able to reap the benefits of that job?

TheSummerPalace · 16/09/2022 11:23

Frank Gardner, who served in the Green Berets, before becoming a journalist was talking about Camilla’s honorary military titles during the BBC coverage. He said she goes a great deal of work for those regiments, she is associated with; and it means a lot to their injured service people, coming back from war zones, that people like her of such high social standing, take an interest in them.

MissyB1 · 16/09/2022 11:25

HeadNorth · 16/09/2022 11:08

Because the RF like playing dress up to make themselves look more important - it's pathetic really. She might as well wear a chicken suit for all the meaning it has. But see how the servile love it anyway - some people love the idea that the RF is born to rule over us, thus free to wear what ridiculous tendy medals and uniforms they choose, based on silly arcae rules they made.

It's this in a nutshell.

ChocolateCakeYum · 16/09/2022 11:26

TrashyPanda · 16/09/2022 11:20

Because the King (head of all forces) has given them special permission.

Fair enough but it seems silly not to have given special permission when he did the walk.

🤷‍♀️

Ah well.

Giggorata · 16/09/2022 11:27

It has been very clearly laid out about who may or may not wear armed forces uniform and when.

There has already been a departure, presumably because of popular opinion, that grandchildren of the Queen may now take part in the vigil, and now that Harry may wear his uniform to do so.

I have no issues with any of the Royals, they are human beings and they fuck up, like the rest of us. (Some more than others, eh Andrew?)
For example, I note that Harry binned off an important military function he was expected to attend in favour of going to Disney Land/World/whatever, which seems ill judged to me and doesn't look well with the wearing of uniform now.

But I'd forgive him (which I'm sure he is happy about) because he is a grieving grandson, probably not that happy away from the family and I'm sure being able to wear the uniform is something of a comfort to him.

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 16/09/2022 11:28

NiqueNique · 16/09/2022 10:41

The Monarch is the head of the armed forces.

Working Royals are given honorary roles in the armed forces to signify the link between the Royal household and the army. They wear ceremonial uniform as part of that role.

Harry did not reach the rank where it is permitted to wear uniform once service has ended. His ceremonial uniform was linked to his honorary title/role. He didn’t want to be a working Royal, so his honorary role was removed and with it, the uniform.

Thank you @NiqueNique for that explanation, that’s really clear and I’d not fully understood all that before.

Not sure why OP has taken such offence at you and singled you out to be so pathetic and vile too, you’re certainly not patronising or bullying, bizarre statements to make when you’ve simply answered her question, which she could easily have googled!

Mumoftwoinprimary · 16/09/2022 11:29

There are lots and lots of conversations about the Royals, their roles and their privileges that do need to be held over the next decade. The honourable military roles is one of them.

However, the military positions was something that was very important to the Queen and so I don’t think now is the time to have these conversations.

Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 11:29

marcopront · 16/09/2022 11:20

@Bankcockbabe

*I feel sorry for Harry too, to be honest.

I think I always have.*

Do you feel sorry for everyone who has resigned from a job and is no longer able to reap the benefits of that job?

Did you even ask why I feel sympathy, or merely assume - based on your own thoughts?

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Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 11:30

Chocolatelabradorsarethebest · 16/09/2022 11:28

Thank you @NiqueNique for that explanation, that’s really clear and I’d not fully understood all that before.

Not sure why OP has taken such offence at you and singled you out to be so pathetic and vile too, you’re certainly not patronising or bullying, bizarre statements to make when you’ve simply answered her question, which she could easily have googled!

I did not call anyone pathetic or vile

Quite an obvious name change hahahaha

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Mumsnut · 16/09/2022 11:31

Surely, if the regiments themselves are happy that she wears it, that’s the important thing

Bankcockbabe · 16/09/2022 11:32

Name callin' just aint my bag, baby

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Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 16/09/2022 11:32

Mumsnut · 16/09/2022 11:31

Surely, if the regiments themselves are happy that she wears it, that’s the important thing

Well that's it summed up really, they're happy for her to wear it and there's reasoning behind it.

Thatswhyimacat · 16/09/2022 11:33

I don't think a guy that lived 1000 years ago, at a time where war was constant, the king would actually lead their army, and the military was just whatever rich people signed up to fight the current whim of the time, is the best explanation as to the current link between the military and the monarch.

The military swear their allegiance to the monarch, noone else. The idea is that their service is independent of the current political party.

diddl · 16/09/2022 11:34

catmothertes1 · 16/09/2022 10:46

It also mean she can wear sensible shoes to walk 40 minutes like they did the other day. Imagine doing that in heels!

Why would not wearing a military uniform mean that she would be in heels?

DameHelena · 16/09/2022 11:39

Tomorrowisalatterday · 16/09/2022 10:55

Let's be honest, it's because she looks amazing in it.

I agree. If I were her and had the option to wear it/looked as good as she does in it, I'd totally take it.

MonsterSister · 16/09/2022 11:42

My son is currently entitled to wear full military uniform on appropriate occasions despite never having seen active service. He is a trombonist with a military band and has only ever done ceremonial duties. Would you object to him wearing uniform too?