I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore - Part 2

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As a continuation of the thread started by @Yubgftr for a robust discussion as to the suitability or not to have a constitutional monarchy.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4631621-i-dont-want-to-be-reigned-over-anymore?page=40&reply=119985613

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?
That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!
YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

@MarieIVanArkleStinks brilliant stuff thanks for taking the trouble to write such an elegant and illuminating piece also for mentioning Bagpuss - apparently Professor Yaffle was based on the philosopher Bertrand Russell.

I would like to be reigned over by the Royal Family because :

1. I don't want an elected head of state. I really don't want a political figure as head of state. I think the person has potential to be divisive, will be driven by the short term need for votes, not for the long term benefit of the country and its how countries end up with far right leaders. The RF are not political. They have a power to bring people together - it's like we all share this same distant family and is a talking point, did you see the wedding, did you see the dress, how cute are the kids etc.

2. I see the RF as a part of living history. They are a link to the past. All the tourists who visit the palaces and historic sites - they are made more attractive and more real because its not something that happened long ago - its something which is happening now. Comparing the UK visitors to, for example, French palaces - there is a real difference.

3. Leverage on the world stage. We as an island aren't particularly interesting other than our traditions and our history. It's our unique selling point on the world stage. I sincerely doubt that the world's attention would be on us if a normally elected head of state had passed. The US president would not be flying in for the funeral. There have been instances where the Queen has been able to do things due to her status and her long relationships with countries that a prime minister has been unable to do behind the scenes.

4. for many in the military the Queen (and now King) is incredibly important to them.

I don't understand where the notion of plebs comes from. The Royal Family spend their entire lives in service to the country. Being told what to do, where to go, who to meet. They are trapped in a gilded cage. I've never heard of a story of the Queen ever treating anyone with anything other than respect and kindness. I've never got the impression the RF have ever felt or made anyone in real life, only people's own projections.

There are plenty wealthy families in the world. The RF is a family who spend their lives doing charitable work and trying to improve the lives of others.

Or are we going for a more French revolution style with all rich families being beheaded?

^^tell me you'vr not bothered reading the arguments without telling me you've not bothered reading the arguments

Or are we going for a more French revolution style with all rich families being beheaded?

Now that issomething I would queue up to see 😅🪓

Does anyone else remember this, Charles complaining about people trying to, I guess, level up? He denied it afterwards, but it was pretty convincing. Hope he's moderated his views.

people rising above their stations

Thanks for posting this - I’ve no memory of it (I’ve always tended to avoid reading ‘news’ involving the royal family).

What an arsehole.

I think I saw this referred to on the Sky News website but can’t believe it hasn’t been mentioned here.

www.nbcnews.com/video/king-charles-iii-angry-with-leaking-pen-at-hillsborough-castle-book-signing-148334661797?cid=referral_taboolafeed

This happened yesterday.

Wow quite a find one of the richest men in the country supports a hierarchical class system shock.

I don't disagree, but it's rare (and not particularly refreshing) to see it expressed so blatantly. And I find it particularly galling now, considering how many of his 'subjects' seem genuinely devastated by the death of his mother, to recall his contempt for them.

If the monarchy is abolished, feel free to move somewhere where there is one. 🙄

What is wrong with people nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things far above their capabilities?" the heir to the throne exclaims
Oh great, my irony meter just exploded.

Well I've learned something amazing today. Professor Yaffle was based on Bertrand Russell! Brilliant pisstake, too.

And yes, I do vaguely remember that buffoon Charles making those comments about people expecting immediate success to fall into their laps without working for it. Says the bloke who had every imaginable expensive educational advantage at his disposal and only emerged from university with a mediocre 2.2.

Ironic indeed. But this is the bloke preaching green politics to the population - who he reckons should adjust their behaviour and be more responsible - whilst belching carbon into the air from his fleet of helicopters, gas guzzlers, private jets and massive estates. These people are so completely lacking in self-awareness, they're beyond parody.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks talk to me about "green politics".

@Daftasabroom: No. It's off the topic of this thread. You have access to Google, educate yourself instead of expecting others to do it for you.

HTH

He sounds so unpleasant in this video, like a really horrible man. For now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's just stressed.

TBH I don't see the Monarchy lasting beyond Charles III. There is no justification for a hereditary Head of State in a modern democracy and an elected alternative works in other countries. Young people are in favour of abolition and I don't think Charles or William have the qualities required to make the Monarchy relevant.

William is especially underwhelming. I don't see him creating the mystique required of a Monarch which is the main justification put forward by W Bagehot as a unifying force for a nation. In the near term, Charles has already made too many mistakes such as not supporting M&H, not allowing H to wear his uniform to the lying in state of the Queen, and starting the redundancy round of his and the Queen's employees during the service for the Queen, displaying his short temper and unpreparedness while signing a document (not knowing the date IMO is not acceptable, can you imagine the Queen not being prepared) then blaming his pen ... this does not create mystique...

Roll on Tuesday so we can get back to some sort of business as usual.

Common misconception!

The UK does have a WRITTEN constitution. It's just found in different sources of writing, e.g. Acts Of Parliament, Case Law, etc. This means we have an UNCODIFIED constitution.

Even then, a good amount of the UK Constitution is codified, e.g. Belfast Agreement, EU treaties, Withdrawal Agreement, etc.

Lord Norton is a globally renowned expert on the UK Constitution:

nortonview.wordpress.com/2019/09/20/do-we-need-a-written-constitution/