I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore - Part 2

[vera99]

As a continuation of the thread started by @Yubgftr for a robust discussion as to the suitability or not to have a constitutional monarchy.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4631621-i-dont-want-to-be-reigned-over-anymore?page=40&reply=119985613

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?
That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!
YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

The role should be made redundant, it is not personal against the Individual. The queen served with pride and integrity but the question we need to ask is should the job exist? In a modern democratic society just because you happen to be born in the right family? I thought the UK was meant to be a meritocracy. So YANBU

Looks like despite robust efforts by US authorities Andrew got to pull Royal rank and escape their questions. If I was the new King when the dust finally settles what to do about Andrew would be at the top of my in-tray.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/prince-andrew-epstein-sexual-abuse-investigation?

Thank you for new thread

I have just mentioned on another thread that in Robert Preston's Twitter he's pointing out that Andrew is a councillor of state and therefore stands in if Charles is out of the country or incapacitated.

The royalists are frothing ' it's protocol , it's nonsense '

The fact is it will take an act of parliament to remove him
This is why the royals need removed
Ludicrous

Another fact free diatribe I see.

Why not try reading our constitution rather than culling bilge from social media and newspapers?

If you don't want to live in a country ruled by a monarch, the beauty of Britain is that you're free to leave and find a country where you'll be happier.

On a practical day to day level I don't see what benefit abolishing the monarchy would bring. Anyone could become head of state, so bloody what? Look at countries where there is an elected head of state, how many people actually manage to get into that position? Even somewhere with a high turnover you'd be looking at the leader changing every year or two.

@Novella4

There is a bill currently in its way through Parliament to allow for members of the royal family to be stripped of titles and positions. I believe it was designed with Andrew in mind and started by Charles.

So he is already ahead of you.

Wonderful

Let's hope they then get started in the rest

Well on the last thread with over 2500 votes the abolishers won by a small majority 52% to 48% so that's a lot of people leaving the country by the logic if you don't like it leave.

King Charles starts from a high point, issuing redundancy notices to his staff during the morning period is not a good start.

www.itv.com/news/2022-06-01/poll-dramatic-decline-in-support-for-monarchy-in-decade-since-diamond-jubilee

@Dotjones - myself and my family have lived in and contributed to the UK coffers and national well-being for decades if not centuries. I will believe and say what I like without being told to jog on out of the UK thanks. Why don’t you naff off somewhere else instead?

@vera99

If you bothered to read the memo that was sent in full they are being redeployed to other royal households. And only made redundant (with huge packages) if they can’t be found a role.

It is part of the slimming down of the royal households that everyone is so keen on. Or would you rather they kept a while staff with nothing to do?

@Dotjones
I assume you are a monarchist ?
You are right to be rattled

It’s a ridiculous argument that you are not British if you disagree with the monarchy. There are other reasons why you are proud to be British.

I’ve said this on another thread, I’m not particularly pro- or anti-royalist but I would be more pro-republican if we didn’t have a history of electing incompetents to high public office. Can just see Boris putting himself forward as elected Head of State!

I am hoping for changes in due course (slimmed down monarchy, get rid of Andrew, just off the top of my head) but realistically this is not going to happen in the mourning period.

And re the poll - well we all know that Mumsnet is not real life.

@Legrandsophie I've read the memo and it is widely reported about the reactions. One source told the Guardian: 'Everybody is absolutely livid, including private secretaries and the senior team. All the staff have been working late every night since Thursday, to be met with this. People were visibly shaken by it.'

The point isn't as to the necessity or otherwise, it's the timing when countless folk are being lectured and harangued to show some respect. If this is the respect shown to their lifelong loyal staff at a time when they are no doubt in real mourning for the loss to someone they had close and personal contact with then their care and concern for the people they reign over seems paper thin.

Pretty much an own goal at the start of his reign. All they had to do was delay it by a few weeks but no.

“By their deeds you will know them. Does a man gather grapes from thorns or figs from briars?”

If you don't want to live in a country ruled by a monarch, the beauty of Britain is that you're free to leave and find a country where you'll be happier

I find it quite unbelievable that people are still saying this. That they're saying it seriously. Put up and shut up peasant, or fuck off. Lovely.

I left the UK over 20 years ago so I'm all right to continue slagging off the royals 😇

@AuxArmesCitoyens your IP address has been noted and you will be having 'welcome' if you ever pass the borders of this Kingdom again. Just a thought before the changeover shouldn't we have been the United Queendom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

I already got the third degree when I came over in the summer, despite using a British passport. Thanks Brexit 😡

@vera99 I’d imagine you would find some way to criticise him whatever he did.

What I got from the memo was that they wanted to let staff know as soon as possible out of courtesy. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

The double standards on this thread are ridiculous. If he’d waited until after the funeral the narrative would have been that he’d exploited them to do the change over and then moved them over. At least this way they know now and can decide where they’d like to go. Seems polite.

Can none of the ardent republicans see that they are making tits out of themselves by being caught out so often in half truths and misinformation. You lot are actually less well informed than Brexiteers. And that is saying something!

I have to laugh at people who support the monarchy saying ‘ooh Anne, she’s lovely, so hard working she should be Queen’ and not actually realising that this is what is at the very heart of the issue - it’s not about ability, merit, suitability, it’s about accident of birth. Ditto the people relieved Andrew isn’t ‘it’ - well here’s the thing, he could have been and you would have had no control over
that what so ever.

also the ‘poor Charles, he’s grieving and over worked’, well here’s an idea…..

I already got the third degree when I came over in the summer, despite using a British passport

OMG seriously?! The UK border force is something else, as a former holder of a different passport before naturalising it was ridiculously stressful. Whereas the EU countries even post-Brexit just say hello and stamp the damn thing.

Andrew is a councillor of state and therefore stands in if Charles is out of the country or incapacitated.

Beatrice - she of the uncomfortable questions over sums received from an alleged fraudster- has also now been promoted to stand-in.

Yep they asked how long I was staying and who I was staying with. Like it was any of their damn business.

@Legrandsophie redundancy situations require a consultation period. The exact time depends on numbers but many employers default to 3 months even if not legally compelled to do so (job loss isn’t over 100). Formal notice has been issued that jobs are at risk triggering that process and setting the clock ticking. That could have been delayed until after the funeral - it would have been only about a week more. Any benefit to the employee of being told now is negligible.

It is part of the slimming down of the royal households that everyone is so keen on

Especially Charles who touts it as a pleb pleaser while knowing his own bloated lifestyle doesn't take so much as a dent.