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To worry that things will kick off in London this week?

415 replies

sunnydaytoday0 · 14/09/2022 01:27

By that I mean civil unrest? I certainly hope not but is it a worry given the simmering tension around things like peaceful protesters being warned they'd be arrested, people being reminded they're living in an incredibly unequal society during a cost of living crisis, the anger surrounding the police shooting of an unarmed man recently etc.

I image police officers are being drafted in from all over the country in near record numbers, but is anyone else worried a few heavy handed arrests over the next few days could actually tip the balance into serious disorder?

OP posts:
peridito · 14/09/2022 08:35

we had looting at the end of our street. The types doing it weren’t those likely to be grappling with an intellectual analysis of political and historical factors behind injustice.

whereas the types "paying their respects" by turning up to watch a coffin are no doubt hugely occupied by these thoughts .

herecomesthsun · 14/09/2022 08:35

We'll watch it from home. Better view, no hassle, no crowds. It will likely be a beautiful, historic church service.

I think there needs to be high security - as it is a potential terrorism target - and sensitive policing around any protests.

brianixon · 14/09/2022 08:41

Nah OP, it won't happen that way at all. IMHO
There is still not widespread or grass roots support for extremist groups like 'Extinction'. Neither are there are Democratic Radicals joining the glueing to the roads. Corbyns are not there much, or David Lamy.
Not like Aldermaston marches and Tony Benn and the Bishop bloke.

MichelleScarn · 14/09/2022 08:44

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Absolutely agree with this!

Mamamia7962 · 14/09/2022 08:44

Freckles20 - The protester in Scotland wasn't arrested violently, stop making things up. It was members of the public who were there to pay their respects who dealt with the situation. He was then helped up by a policeman and quickly taken away, which was the right thing to do.

Toddlerteaplease · 14/09/2022 08:46

In one of the Peter Whimsy books. George V's funeral is described as a 'village funeral' and no one would dare make trouble. This will be larger but similar, I suspect.

Mamamia7962 · 14/09/2022 08:46

OP - I don't think you're worried at all, in fact I think it's the opposite.

justanoldhack · 14/09/2022 08:52

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you don't live in London?

It's fine.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/09/2022 08:57

I'm so tired with the prurient salivation over potential riots.

These posts crop up every so often.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 14/09/2022 09:01

Oh silly me - I’d forgotten that any discussion of fears or concerns about instability leading to unpleasant and unwanted consequences in this country is verboten, a sign of mental illness, right wing trolling, Russian bots and shouldn’t be allowed…..

I mean it can’t possibly be just a bunch of actual women in various parts of the country, probably like myself seeing more and more crime reported in their local papers - violent crime as well and more than usual - and seeing / experiencing health issues exacerbated by problems with the NHS - and seeing their fuel bills sky rocketing - and seeing local businesses and retailers closing left right and centre ….

Gosh no, and if it is, well, these women can’t possibly know what they’re talking about, and are exaggerating or depressed or ghoulishly wishing for it to happen…..

I remember very well that expression of fear or frustration in times of uncertainty and unprecedented events on MN must be stifled and ridiculed immediately because apparently said discussions between said women are either too dangerous to be allowed or too pathetic….

I’m in my 50s, I’ve spent my life weathering storms, stiffening my upper lip, thinking “this too will pass” and I feel confident to say that the last two years are unlike any previous period in my life both personally and on the wider scale, because strangely enough these things are linked because I’m part of a wider society.

If people can’t talk through their concerns, fears or speculations without being berated, ridiculed and accused of “incitement” then I think you’ll find things will get worse rather than better, especially when it’s on an anonymous Internet forum where the majority of users have a vested interest in seeing the world improve for the sake of their children.

Rant over - hope everyone has a lovely day.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 14/09/2022 09:01

Mamamia7962 · 14/09/2022 08:44

Freckles20 - The protester in Scotland wasn't arrested violently, stop making things up. It was members of the public who were there to pay their respects who dealt with the situation. He was then helped up by a policeman and quickly taken away, which was the right thing to do.

'Dealt with the situation'.

mondaytosunday · 14/09/2022 09:05

No. Have you seen the police presence? And the vast vast majority are going to pay their respects. There may be a few pockets of disturbance as any crowd may attract, but nothing of note.
Like the Insulate Britain demonstrators who disrupted traffic in central London, any protesting will not win anyone over to their side.

hewouldwouldnthe · 14/09/2022 09:06

Don't be silly

KassandraOfSparta · 14/09/2022 09:09

Civil unrest is predicted every 5 minutes on MN. Covid? Civil unrest. Partygate? Civil unrest. Brexit? Civil unrest. Cost of living? Civil unrest.

Never happens. No civil unrest in Edinburgh over the last few days. Sorry to disappoint those desperate for a riot. (it brings to mind those characters in Life of Brian - oooooh, I loves a good stoning!)

NippyWoowoo · 14/09/2022 09:10

Some people are just drama llamas. How to you live?

Notcontent · 14/09/2022 09:10

StickywithSuncream · 14/09/2022 01:43

I live in fairly central London.

I think there’s a possible terrorism risk, but not for it to kick off over the things you mention. While they’re valid concerns generally, right now the mood feels very much focused on mourning the Queen and feeling benevolent towards the King. There’ll be some focusing on the issue you mention, for sure, but not the majority.

I agree with the above. Although I will not be going anywhere near the areas where people will be gathering. The thought of all the crowds feels me with horror.

MelodyPondsMum · 14/09/2022 09:12

No, it won't and I'm not worried about it.
There have been threads like this almost every month on here with a sort of rapt breathless excitement that there might be rioting. Every month there's a different 'reason' suggested. It's almost as though there's a small group hoping they can will a riot into existence.

Mamamia7962 · 14/09/2022 09:13

Perfectlypreserved - Yes they did deal with the situation. The Scots won't stand for any nonsense.

Paulrn · 14/09/2022 09:13

This thread is like a scene from the undeclared war about bots and false information well worth a watch as it’s truer than you may think

theworldhas · 14/09/2022 09:14

I have no respect for the British monarchy whatsoever but it’s not the monarchy that ought to see riots - it’s 50 years of Tory privatisation and neoliberalism which have now got the country on its needs with millions teetering on the edge of poverty, a massive increase in homelessness, the average age of home ownership at 40, child services, schools and libraries starved of funds etc. We keep voting for this shit.

InPraiseOfBacchus · 14/09/2022 09:15

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It's the traditional MN rallying cry of "people are saying that there's going to be trouble for sure" and "people should be out on the STREETS". Forgetting that they, too, are "people".

It's often the people with the most dull existences who have this weird, gleeful urge to talk up a cartoon version of civil unrest into existence.

DillonPanthersTexas · 14/09/2022 09:16

I remember very well that expression of fear or frustration in times of uncertainty and unprecedented events on MN must be stifled and ridiculed immediately because apparently said discussions between said women are either too dangerous to be allowed or too pathetic….

Not really, 99% of time it is hyperbolic nonsense and most folk treat it as such.

lightisnotwhite · 14/09/2022 09:16

I believed armed officers are considering downing weapons. So if it all kicks off there won’t be any shootings you’ll be pleased to hear.
If it all kicks off I assume you’d like someone to sort it out? Or not . Sounds to me like you’d quite enjoy a bit of a riot against the state. Personally I prefer a quite life and angry letter to MP’s than burning cities.

Umbrelleh · 14/09/2022 09:18

lightisnotwhite · 14/09/2022 09:16

I believed armed officers are considering downing weapons. So if it all kicks off there won’t be any shootings you’ll be pleased to hear.
If it all kicks off I assume you’d like someone to sort it out? Or not . Sounds to me like you’d quite enjoy a bit of a riot against the state. Personally I prefer a quite life and angry letter to MP’s than burning cities.

No way will they disarm albeit they might not be so overt. There will be snipers about the place ffs and goodness knows what else, there's categorically no way there will be no armed police on the ground.

L1ttledrummergirl · 14/09/2022 09:19

KohinoorDiamond · 14/09/2022 06:41

Maybe the heavy handed arrests have served their purpose for sending a message to behave well.

Protests from republicans will not be tolerated.

Remember, the police technically swear their oath of allegiance to the monarch. So that’s who they will be serving, not the general public expressing freedom of speech or whatever.

I think there’s as much risk as a major royal wedding tbh. They’ve all gone through smoothly, so nothing to worry about.

This is incorrect. The British police do not swear allegiance to the monarchy but to the people of Britain.

The armed forces swear to God, King, their descendants and then country.

It's one of the checks and balances between crown and parliament.

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