I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

It looks like the BBC coverage of the whole thing over the last few days, for a start.

Just for you information in case you haven’t noticed - Andrew is not our King and never will be!

The RF are notorious for paying minimum wage. I am sure the toothpaste squeezer poursuivant could find another job.

I don't know if anybody else mentioned Boris but I certainly did. He hasn't been the easiest to remove now, has he? Limpets have lesser sticking power.

The parliamentary changes he and other PMs have been able to make are breathtakingly undemocratic. Back to Boris, while many people followed the directions not to meet due to Covid, he and some of his staff, did just that. All acceptable, just because... Boris. PM.

Must we have only the choice between a successive monarchy and a politician that we are unable to remove before they do serious damage?

Are they? Odd that they don’t appear to have much trouble recruiting.

Well done on missing the point. What if there's a similar Andrew character in the future, but directly in line for the throne this time? Would that be acceptable to you?

Source of this information?

We have just seen Prime Minister removed who is unacceptable. History is full of kings who have been removed because they are unacceptable. For goodness sake read some history

I pay my cleaner double what they pay theirs. 7.50 quid an hour I think it was...

But then if you are a ' loyal subject ' I guess it's fine.

I'm asking you personally.

The Americans elected one or have you forgotten Trump’s “grab them by the pussy” line?

I have just discovered Charles' was a keen supporter of fox hunting and lobbied against the ban. I passionately love foxes and indeed have a family living next door. Indeed he is not my King.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4721418/Prince-Charles-lobbied-Tony-Blair-fox-hunting-ban.html

Also, don't be so patronising. I'm well educated in history, particularly Royal history, thank you for your concern.

You obviously know these things then and so you know what would happen. Why bother about Andrew? You obviously are asking ridiculous questions

As I said, I'm asking you personally. Why are you avoiding the question?

Yes he bleats on about the environment and climate change but has spent his entire life flying all over world and cares so much about wildlife he blows the fuck out Pheasants and Grouse for not other reason than its good fun.

Do as i say, not what i do.

I'm actually angry now here's my lovely fox Ajax mother of 3 it's a red line for me.

The Prince is a keen supporter of foxhunting after taking up the sport aged 26. He is reported to have told a private gathering in 2002: ‘If the Labour Government ever gets around to banning foxhunting, I might as well leave this country and spend the rest of my life skiing.’

One of about a million google links on the RF as shit employers www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.bigissue.com/news/employment/buckingham-palace-below-minimum-wage-pay-live-in-housekeeper/&ved=2ahUKEwif1LDZ1I_6AhUkxoUKHexbBCcQFnoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Xey0jVw4S-bbjYePNtnnc

The American people voted for Hillary, the electoral college voted for Trump, and he was booted after four years. If Andrew came to the throne there us precisely no mechanism for getting rid of him.

What annoys me about behind-the-scenes lobbying (apart from just fox hunting but what sort of person take pleasure in ripping wild animal to pieces as a sport) is they are supposed to be above politics. This is what his black spider memos are all about and something the late Queen was studious to ignore.

Why do you keep asking when you know the answer?

I doubt many British republicans want an American-style presidency.

This is like the NHS debates — people assume that the default alternative to our own system is whatever the Americans do. There are a lot of other countries available to look at for inspiration.

It was even closer than Brexit. Clinton got 48% of the popular vote, Trump got 46%. Trump won the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio, and Iowa, all of which were won by Obama in 2008 and 2012.

You can spin it all you like, almost half of the American population voted for a pervert and sexual predator who attempted to overthrow the result of the election that kicked him out. If that’s where a republic takes you, I prefer to stay where we are.

I'm asking what YOUR personal opinion would be. But your refusal to answer tells me everything I need to know.

Oh me too. The reason they've announced him is so we dont have time to think.

All of it is an accident of birth and particularly now, despite the people who say they bring money into the country, we cannot continue with it. But it looks like we will.