I don't want to be 'reigned over' anymore

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While I totally respect the Queen and how she served the country, I think it's now a good time to end the monarchy as I think modern society has outgrown it.

Just the idea that someone inherits the job of head of state through birthright and reigns over us peasants is crazy in this modern age. Then all the ceremonies, titles, line of succession are remnants of a completely different era and tbh remind me of episodes of The Tudors or Game of Thrones, it's just so archaic and out of place.

I think having to bow and curtsey to people just because they were born or married into a special family also seems ridiculous. Why should I have to curtsey to any of them? Not saying I'd be rude or disrespectful but having to bend my knee to a set of people as if they were deities, it's just insane! I think I'd actually feel humiliated.

I also don't get the fawning and crying outside the palace - by all means be respectful and recognise her contribution but crying about someone you've never met? To me it's OTT

Back in medieval times when there was little education and religion was used to manipulate the masses, I can understand why all the peasants went mad for their sovereign and saw them as annointed by God etc etc but we're much more enlightened now (most of us!) so we need to make way for a new way of doing things.

Even a new national anthem - why is it all about the king or queen and god saving them? Why not about the people, the nation as a whole?

That said, I also hate the idea of someone like Boris Johnson being head of state and I bet that's a role he'd go for if we were a Republic. Swings and Roundabouts!

YABU - God save the king, monarchy forever
YANBU - time to end the monarchy

petition your MP for a referendum.

Don’t bother if they’re a Tory.

I think most MPs have got their hands full dealing with the worst financial crisis on record at the moment. Maybe you hadn’t heard in your bubble.

@Binjob118 yes the idea that they are ordained by god to rule is utterly ludicrous. That they are in some way superior to everyone else is also bizarre.

Can't bear the fawning and forelock tugging.

I’ve never seen anyone fawn or tug their forelock, what does it look like?

Now is not the time for a referendum but it is time to begin an active debate.

A hard hitting new documentary which reveals Prince Charles as unfit to be King. The documentary looks at Charles's role as Duke of Cornwall and the way he treats Duchy tenants, as well as how he uses his power and influence to lobby government and other public bodies.(2020)

Yes, absolutely. It made more sense when we were a deferential society, but seems so weird now. I think it's also morphed into a more celebrity driven idea, so the media love it.

Irrelevant comparison. Those are all NECESSARY services. Cringing at you.

@Kellie45 I’m just trying to come up with ideas to instigate the change that some posters appear to want.

if you have better ideas, please share them. All ideas welcomes. Doing nothing or expecting other people to do something about an issue doesn’t work.

You obviously haven't turned on the TV for a few days...

You have some funny ideas. Who thinks that these days? I would bow to the King because he represents the country and because I’m loyal to the country. You seem to have a little understanding of what a constitutional monarch is

The objection that we can't have an elected head of state because "we might end up with someone like Boris" makes absolutely no sense (heh, there's a surprise, in debate on this subject).

People constantly justify the monarchy by saying "they have no real power", "it's only ceremonial" yada yada. If that's the case, then surely it wouldn't matter if "someone like Boris" (or whoever) performed the role. They wouldn't make any practical difference to anything, and couldn't have any detrimental effect on the actual running of the country.

If on the other hand the role DOES have important practical consequences and needs to be carried out with some kind of expertise, then surely the people, in whose name it is being carried out, deserve a say in judging who has the right sort of character or expertise to represent them? How can you argue on the one hand that the role is really specialist and challenging, and on the other that the only right way to fill it is by who was the first born from the one particular family that, for some reason, is mystically "entitled" to it?

I can see the arguments for the head of state not being part of the same party political system that runs parliament. But there's all kinds of ways that could be done without them representing the landed privilige of the middle ages. Besides which, the RF have a well documented open line to lobbying parliament in their own interests, and anyone who can't see that those interests are the same as those of the Conservative party is in denial. "Above politics" my arse.

Why would you bow? Bowing is a sign of deference. He's just a man. Would you bow to President Biden?

Just cringing at your own stupid ideas. Putting a few more your way. What about having a voluntary contribution for local services so only those who agreed with having their dustbins emptied should?

Wow, bet you really had to plumb the depths of your intelligence for that answer

Sorry you want. You and a few others here. At least 62% of this country don’t.

What stupid ideas? Again, having dustbins emptied is a NECESSARY service because it's a public health issue. I'm actually laughing at you at this point.

The whole 'appointed by God' stuff is questionable as assumes that we all believe in God

Sorry you want. You and a few others here. At least 62% of this country don’t.

If support for the monarchy is that strong (and it may well be for all I know) then why all the defensiveness? Why all the attempts on this thread and others to shut down the subject with "accept it or shut up and leave" rather than just engaging in mature debate about the pros and cons? If there's that strong a majority for keeping the monarchy then it should be dead easy for people like you to let the debate happen, discuss all the pros and cons, hold a referendum and win it easily.

Very helpful. It's easy to get things mixed up. Although my dentist is not in the habit of wearing a crown.

He definitely gives them out, though.

Hahahaha

That makes no sense. The carriage already exists & doesn't get many opportunities for an outing, it should absolutely be used!

id agree with you if they were talking about having one made.

Oh I agree. People love saying "we'd end up with President Boris!" what is the problem with that? He was voted in by the public - I don't recall ever having a say who our Head of State is. What if Andrew was our King?

Andrew gest to wear a uniform Harry doesn't. That's the tweet.

I'm not sure if anyone had pointed it out but the royal family employ thousands of people. If the monarchy were abolished, what happens to all of their employees?