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To think there's bias against single family households?

224 replies

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:30

Does anyone else think this? For example: I cooked beefburgers earlier and needed baps for them but they only sell them in packs of 4. I have no need for 4 right now. It means I have been forced to open the packet only for 2 of them to go stale unless I use them before their staledate. Obviously for a family of 4, then this quantity would be fine without needing to think of this.

Also, things like rent: Does anyone think this is unequal, that 1 person has to pay the same amount of rent that a family of 4 would pay for?

I guess I am biased because I don't have any family like many on here will have, but it's always seemed unequal to me.

OP posts:
sevenbyseven · 12/09/2022 09:44

But plenty of people pay rent for 3, 4 or 5 people from one or two salaries, if they have kids. Surely financially that's harder? Ditto paying for food and holidays.

TakeTheOffPisteRoute · 12/09/2022 09:57

Barneysma2 · 12/09/2022 09:27

Hi Op,

That chip on your shoulder, did you manage to buy it on it's own or did you have to buy a pack of 4?

@Barneysma2 🤣🤣🤣

Given the size of it, must have surely been part of a BOGOF offer!

Smudges16 · 12/09/2022 10:06

I think you mean it's harder to be a single person household? As in, not in a couple? Single family makes me think of a single parent household, which I expect would be the most difficult set up financially in a lot of cases.

I agree that it's much harder to live and make bills on your own, than if you had another income/person contributing. But, life is repetitive for everyone (we buy a packet of cold meat and eat it for lunch every day). You do get bored eating the same thing every day, but it's resourceful so we do it.

We buy 4 baps, have 1 each and then 2 are left (normally for next day lunch, or they go stale).

You seem to get more 'meals for one' in supermarkets now though, which might help!

beingsunny · 12/09/2022 10:07

This is mental!

I'm single with 50/50 care of my 10yo son, most things come in packs of four, like the brioche burger buns only he eats, I buy the four pack of buns, the four pack of burgers and freeze the other 3. Just pull them out of the freezer every Friday morning.

As for the rent thing, should I get a discount because for half the week I'm on my own? Of course not!

Heatherbell1978 · 12/09/2022 10:24

I've been single, renting my own flat then owning my own flat. I've been in a couple, renting and owning. Now I'm part of a family of 4 owning our house.

Trust me my disposable income was waaaay higher in the first scenario than it is now! And by meal planning (and using my freezer) I could eat for a week on a fraction of what it costs me to feed a family.

LongLivedQueen · 12/09/2022 10:49

To the people saying about the families of 5 - good point, I didn't think about that. Why is everything (especially food related) catered to families of 4, it seems? It seems single people are paying out of their nose whilst couples only pay half in comparison

Don't be so ridiculous! There are families of 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 pick a bloody number! You can buy single rolls or packs of 2, 4, 6, 8 whatever.......

Single people pay for 4 rolls, couples pay for 4 rolls, large families pay for 4 packs of 4 rolls...everyone is paying the exact same amount for what they get and nobody is paying half.

Ridiculous, illogical nonsense

Sugarplumfairy65 · 12/09/2022 11:02

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:50

But I don't have any children so your scenario is not applicable to me.

Buy from an independent bakery rather than a supermarket. You can buy as few or as many as you like then.

LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 12/09/2022 11:57

I don’t get this thread… is OP complaining that when two people couple up they can share certain costs (housing/car) whereas as OP doesn’t want to share with a stranger she has to pay the same price on her own?

The landlord has a property to rent out at x per month, either one person pays x or two persons share x, it doesn’t matter if these two are involved romantically or friends or strangers.

vickibee · 12/09/2022 12:08

The benefits system is the opposite, it does not encourage couples. It is a disincentive for single parent for example to move in with a working partner as benefits are hugely affected, yet the tax system treats everyone as individuals. It’s bonkers.

SudocremOnEverything · 12/09/2022 12:16

LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 12/09/2022 11:57

I don’t get this thread… is OP complaining that when two people couple up they can share certain costs (housing/car) whereas as OP doesn’t want to share with a stranger she has to pay the same price on her own?

The landlord has a property to rent out at x per month, either one person pays x or two persons share x, it doesn’t matter if these two are involved romantically or friends or strangers.

Yes. She is complaining that things are more expensive when you don’t have two incomes to cover everything. Which is beyond obvious.

LongLivedQueen · 12/09/2022 12:28

SudocremOnEverything · 12/09/2022 12:16

Yes. She is complaining that things are more expensive when you don’t have two incomes to cover everything. Which is beyond obvious.

Actually she's not. She's complaining that she has to pay the same amount for 4 buns as someone else has to pay for 4 buns, and doesn't seem to understand she could just not buy 4 buns.

AWellReadWoman · 12/09/2022 12:33

The burger bun example is ridiculous. I only have one child so are they biased against me? Or couples that have no children?!

Notadramallama · 12/09/2022 13:33

Some of these responses are bonkers. Yes, life is more expensive if you have three children, but that was a choice you made. Most of us don't make a choice to be single. It's not a case of finding a random person in the street and being able to live with them. I bet those suggesting house shares wouldn't be that keen to share with strangers when they're in their 40's, 50's or beyond.

It's totally accepted that being single costs more than being in a couple:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43372694

Houses don't cost less to heat if there's only one person living there, TV's don't use less electricity if there's only one person watching.

Buying individual items of food is more expensive than buying multipacks and not all of us have storage space, as we can't afford to rent large properties.

Notadramallama · 12/09/2022 13:34

Sugarplumfairy65 · 12/09/2022 11:02

Buy from an independent bakery rather than a supermarket. You can buy as few or as many as you like then.

because buying from an independent bakery won't be more expensive...

TakeTheOffPisteRoute · 12/09/2022 13:43

@Notadramallama

Most of us don't make a choice to be single

Eh? Explain this one to me please?

Presumably you are choosing to not enter into a relationship and you are choosing not to house-share with someone else (whoever they may be - partner, family member, friend, stranger etc)?

If you're not making these decisions, who on earth is making them on your behalf?

Note: if indeed someone is, you should seek support immediately as this is coercive and controlling behaviour....

FinallyHere · 12/09/2022 13:51

Freezing works really well for bread.

We keep all our bread in the freezer. Defrosts in 10 minutes.

Bubblebubblebah · 12/09/2022 13:56

TakeTheOffPisteRoute · 12/09/2022 13:43

@Notadramallama

Most of us don't make a choice to be single

Eh? Explain this one to me please?

Presumably you are choosing to not enter into a relationship and you are choosing not to house-share with someone else (whoever they may be - partner, family member, friend, stranger etc)?

If you're not making these decisions, who on earth is making them on your behalf?

Note: if indeed someone is, you should seek support immediately as this is coercive and controlling behaviour....

Lots of people just never find that partner. That's it.

SudocremOnEverything · 12/09/2022 14:00

LongLivedQueen · 12/09/2022 12:28

Actually she's not. She's complaining that she has to pay the same amount for 4 buns as someone else has to pay for 4 buns, and doesn't seem to understand she could just not buy 4 buns.

Well yes. But with an undercurrent that it’s so unfair because a household with two incomes would have more money to spend on extraneous buns.

TakeTheOffPisteRoute · 12/09/2022 14:11

@Bubblebubblebah completely understand. But they're still choosing not to live with someone other than a partner (E.g. a family member, friend, house share etc).

vickibee · 12/09/2022 14:13

I am single now , being widowed is definitely not your choosing, I am now caring for a 15 yo asd child and an elderly parent and at the same time trying to keep going with a full time job. It’s bloody hard but get limited support. Just 5 hours pw for a personal assistant so I get respite. It’s bloody hard and I often feel like I am drowning becuase of the demands placed on me.

milkyaqua · 12/09/2022 14:41

TakeTheOffPisteRoute · 12/09/2022 14:11

@Bubblebubblebah completely understand. But they're still choosing not to live with someone other than a partner (E.g. a family member, friend, house share etc).

Sheesh.

Keyansier · 12/09/2022 17:52

Barneysma2 · 12/09/2022 09:27

Hi Op,

That chip on your shoulder, did you manage to buy it on it's own or did you have to buy a pack of 4?

😂😂😂

That is hilarious 😂 (And no I didn't, luckily chips are sold by the bag, not the quantity)

OP posts:
Keyansier · 12/09/2022 18:05

LongLivedQueen · 12/09/2022 12:28

Actually she's not. She's complaining that she has to pay the same amount for 4 buns as someone else has to pay for 4 buns, and doesn't seem to understand she could just not buy 4 buns.

1: I'm a he, not a she.

2: I wasn't complaining, I was just commentating.

3: She's He's complaining that she he has to pay the same amount for 4 buns as someone else has to pay for 4 buns, and doesn't seem to understand she he could just not buy 4 buns. - That's entirely missing the point of what I was saying.

OP posts:
Keyansier · 12/09/2022 18:06

AWellReadWoman · 12/09/2022 12:33

The burger bun example is ridiculous. I only have one child so are they biased against me? Or couples that have no children?!

Your response doesn't make any sense in regards to what I said in my OP...

OP posts:
MinervaTerrathorn · 12/09/2022 19:31

Keyansier · 12/09/2022 18:06

Your response doesn't make any sense in regards to what I said in my OP...

I think the poster is saying that pack sizes are also too big for families of two. We are two and would have to freeze two baps or eat the same the following night, or have an egg bap in the morning.