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To think there's bias against single family households?

224 replies

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:30

Does anyone else think this? For example: I cooked beefburgers earlier and needed baps for them but they only sell them in packs of 4. I have no need for 4 right now. It means I have been forced to open the packet only for 2 of them to go stale unless I use them before their staledate. Obviously for a family of 4, then this quantity would be fine without needing to think of this.

Also, things like rent: Does anyone think this is unequal, that 1 person has to pay the same amount of rent that a family of 4 would pay for?

I guess I am biased because I don't have any family like many on here will have, but it's always seemed unequal to me.

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Hakunamatata91 · 11/09/2022 20:43

If you're a one adult household then I think things can be more expensive, you pay all the bills which are unlikely to be half what they would be if you were in a couple. And you don't have the safety net of another income if something happens to yours. Financially it makes sense to have an other half! But I don't think you can really say the world is biased against single people, its just one of those things.

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:45

RiderOfTheBlue · 11/09/2022 20:40

Some places sell baps in packs of two anyway, Morrison's for example. I often buy their two pack of wholemeal rolls.

And what is "staledate"? Presume you mean best before date. They're often OK for a day or two after that, as long as you wrap them. They don't magically go stale when the clock ticks past midnight.

They don't magically go stale when the clock ticks past midnight.

Well of course I know that. I don't think buns are Cinderella. But I often don't feel like eating the same thing immediately a day or two after.

To the other person: I am aware that you can freeze bread. That wasn't my point though.

To the people saying about the families of 5 - good point, I didn't think about that. Why is everything (especially food related) catered to families of 4, it seems? It seems single people are paying out of their nose whilst couples only pay half in comparison.

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Canyousewcushions · 11/09/2022 20:45

In a lot of ways I think you're right but those examples aren't very strong arguments - freeze the extra baps, and a family of 2 can probably get away with s smaller house than a family of 4.

However, financially you'll be worse off as a single family- one person earning £40k will pay ore tax than 2 people on £20k each. Th council tax reduction is similar, the single occupancy discount doesn't reflect the difference in household income for only having one earning adult. So totally agree, the system is weighed against single parent families.

Clymene · 11/09/2022 20:46

Only thing that annoys me as a single parent is 'family' discounts that aren't available to single parents. They seem to be getting rarer thankfully. Other than that I don't really understand your examples.

Put them in the freezer. You can freeze buns and burgers perfectly well.

MinervaTerrathorn · 11/09/2022 20:47

Don't get the food thing. It's the same for families of three or five and you can buy single bread rolls. I find a four pack convenient as I would cook burgers for four anyway, I don't want to be cooking every night! Or you use them for a fried egg bap the next day.

clpsmum · 11/09/2022 20:48

I'm a single parent with three children so four bread rolls in a pack is perfect for us

pickledpotato · 11/09/2022 20:49

@Keyansier

Can you honestly not understand why companies cater towards the 'norm'?

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:50

clpsmum · 11/09/2022 20:48

I'm a single parent with three children so four bread rolls in a pack is perfect for us

But I don't have any children so your scenario is not applicable to me.

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tickticksnooze · 11/09/2022 20:52

What is a "single family household" ?

MinervaTerrathorn · 11/09/2022 20:53

Canyousewcushions · 11/09/2022 20:45

In a lot of ways I think you're right but those examples aren't very strong arguments - freeze the extra baps, and a family of 2 can probably get away with s smaller house than a family of 4.

However, financially you'll be worse off as a single family- one person earning £40k will pay ore tax than 2 people on £20k each. Th council tax reduction is similar, the single occupancy discount doesn't reflect the difference in household income for only having one earning adult. So totally agree, the system is weighed against single parent families.

Agree on the big financial things like council tax. You can't always get away with a smaller house though, we need a two bed for two of us and a family of four with two adults and two young children or older children the same sex would also need a two bed.

MinervaTerrathorn · 11/09/2022 20:55

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:50

But I don't have any children so your scenario is not applicable to me.

Why are you saying 'single family household'? One person is not a family.

SpinningFloppa · 11/09/2022 20:55

So then you are not a “single family” if you don’t have children? You’re just a single person

vodkaredbullgirl · 11/09/2022 20:56

You are just a single person.

CandyLeBonBon · 11/09/2022 20:57

I think there are things that make life difficult. Like when your autistic child turns 18 but isn't earning and you are still financially responsible for them but lose your single adult occupancy re: council tax. Things like that are tricky. Baps not so much.

NewYorkLassie · 11/09/2022 20:57

holidays- it’s cheaper per person when you book 2 adults

But the main thing you are paying for is use of the room. And you’re often using the same room as a couple would so why should it be cheaper?

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:59

Sorry, I thought the term single family households meant single people, didn't realise it didn't. But yes those that are asking: I'm talking about a single person in the household with no children or partner. I think there's bias against us when it comes to the food and other industries. Don't think it's nasty, or on purpose to hurt us, but just something I pick up on that others may not realise if they are in multi-person households. I see the posters agreeing with me are the ones that are in the same situation and the ones that aren't are from larger families, which is my point.

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Eminybob · 11/09/2022 21:00

So do you suggest they make packs of 1, 2, 3,4, 5 etc to cater to each type of household?

I don't get your point about rent. Do you think that it becomes cheaper for your landlord that there is only 1 person living there? Don't be daft you are paying for the space. You do get single persons council tax though so there is that..

SpinningFloppa · 11/09/2022 21:01

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 20:59

Sorry, I thought the term single family households meant single people, didn't realise it didn't. But yes those that are asking: I'm talking about a single person in the household with no children or partner. I think there's bias against us when it comes to the food and other industries. Don't think it's nasty, or on purpose to hurt us, but just something I pick up on that others may not realise if they are in multi-person households. I see the posters agreeing with me are the ones that are in the same situation and the ones that aren't are from larger families, which is my point.

Unfortunately even if they did smaller packs they would likely still be the same price have you not noticed things getting smaller but still being the same price At least you get to save the things you don’t eat

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 21:02

Eminybob · 11/09/2022 21:00

So do you suggest they make packs of 1, 2, 3,4, 5 etc to cater to each type of household?

I don't get your point about rent. Do you think that it becomes cheaper for your landlord that there is only 1 person living there? Don't be daft you are paying for the space. You do get single persons council tax though so there is that..

Huh? If rent (for example) is 600 and 1 person has to pay 600 but for 2 people they would have to pay 300 each then the rent is cheaper for the individual 2 people over the individual singular person.

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Patapouf · 11/09/2022 21:03

Really silly examples there OP. Would you really support individually wrapped baps with extra plastic rubbish?

Do you think your rent should be lower because of sole occupancy? The number of people living there doesn't affect the property value/price or mortgage cost does it?

Society is very much geared towards a two income household which is problematic for lots of reasons, not just because it makes life harder to afford for single people. It's why lots of single people house share...

BattenburgDonkey · 11/09/2022 21:03

It’s more cost effective to buy a pack of 4 than a pack of 1, it’s not a bias against you, other single people will be perfectly happy to eat 4 rolls before they go off or freeze them. You are looking to be offended here.

BattenburgDonkey · 11/09/2022 21:04

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 21:02

Huh? If rent (for example) is 600 and 1 person has to pay 600 but for 2 people they would have to pay 300 each then the rent is cheaper for the individual 2 people over the individual singular person.

Then flat share? Why should a landlord make 50% less money because you live on your own, it doesn’t make the house smaller does it?

Eminybob · 11/09/2022 21:05

Yes I understand that, I don't understand why you think you should only pay £300 if the going rate for the space is £600

Bubblebubblebah · 11/09/2022 21:06

I am with you on the produce. I want 1 fucking jam doughnut, Asda! 1. It's just woerd. Just do it like in many places on the continent and sell per piece.
It's also question of food waste, nlt just annoyance and spending more than necessary.

Same goes or fruit and veg.

Keyansier · 11/09/2022 21:06

BattenburgDonkey · 11/09/2022 21:04

Then flat share? Why should a landlord make 50% less money because you live on your own, it doesn’t make the house smaller does it?

So you think only families should get the choice of who to live with and not with complete strangers, just to have lower rent? Again: This is an example of what I'm talking about that people who aren't single family households don't pick up upon or realise.

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