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Charles won't pay inheritance tax on what he inherits from the queen..

299 replies

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 18:12

Are people aware? And think this is OK ?

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Dguu6u · 11/09/2022 21:00

JudgeJ · 11/09/2022 20:57

I think that some people think he could put everything on ebay and rightmove! As the monarch he owns Balmoral and Sandringham. In the '30s Edward VIII inherited them and retained them after he abdicated, the new King, George VI, had to buy them from him!

Ha, more than £300 million personal wealth isn't enough for you???

LePigeon · 11/09/2022 21:00

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:52

96% of estates are below the IHT threshold. Hardly any of us pay it.

Does it matter? It's still one rule for the public and one rule for them.

Dylanesque · 11/09/2022 21:00

''The rich man in his castle,
the poor man at his gate,
(a non-existent) God made them high and lowly,
and ordered their estate.''

Seemingly that verse is now mostly omitted from the Victorian hymn All Things Bright And Beautiful. A shame. If it had been kept in, those who heard it might then realise that nothing really changes for the peasantry

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 21:01

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:29

The Queen wasn’t even in the top half of The Times Rich List. Sunak’s wife is worth about ten times as much.

I can't see the relevance of that, I mean all in, they cost us about £340 million. Should we have give them more?

Genevieva · 11/09/2022 21:01

If we did what Australia did and ditched inheritance tax then this wouldn't be an issue. No one superrich pays much inheritance tax because they can afford offshore trust funds etc. The Australian approach is really good - they just treat it as they would any other assets changing ownership. So the deceased person's estate pays capital gains tax on the transfer of assets like shares and second homes. This means people who die suddenly are not unfairly disadvantaged with a large tax burden because they haven't had seven years to work out how to hand on their savings.

OhTheLeetleHandsAndFeetle · 11/09/2022 21:03

I’m not remotely bothered about this. But then, I am a ‘cretin’ as charmingly mentioned, above.

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 21:04

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 21:01

I can't see the relevance of that, I mean all in, they cost us about £340 million. Should we have give them more?

Nobody’s proposing giving them more. That figure’s about ten times the annual Sovereign Grant, by the way.

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 21:04

Cruisebabe1 · 11/09/2022 19:57

I absolutely love this comment!! I couldn’t have put it better. 👍☺️

Why the hell is it goady? Perfectly natural question which any right minded person would agree

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 21:06

LePigeon · 11/09/2022 21:00

Does it matter? It's still one rule for the public and one rule for them.

Not really, the poor aren't liable for IHT. The rich have ways of avoiding it. Is the monarch any different from the (far wealthier) Duke of Westminster in this regard?

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 21:06

@TarasHarp55 apparently any discussion that's not completely in favour of the royals is now goady. What a dumb word. I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

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WoodlandMummy · 11/09/2022 21:09

Grumpybutfunny · 11/09/2022 19:02

Because it belongs to the crown only a very small proportion is actually held by the family. If you have enough money it is economically viable to set up similar trusts to avoid inheritance tax. It's also a form of assets protection. I don't get annoyed when companies use the law to pay the correct amount of tax, it's called tax planning. Why would they pay more than they legally have to. The only annoyance for me is the companies that go "bankrupt" to avoid a tax bill then start up again hours later with a slightly different name.

Personally I don't agree with inheritance tax why should I pay tax on money that my family has already paid tax on. I'm a net contributor already so it's just an added tax burden at a time of grief.

The jealousy of the royals at a time of bereavement for the family speaks volumes for this country. Instead of being jealous of what they have, work, innovate, or expand to earn a place in that rank of society if that is what you desire. Personably I prefer the flamboyance and extravagance of new money it looks much more fun.

But don't drag a normal family who is grieving the loss of a much loved family member through the mud for your own jealousy. Publishing details of their traditions finances, property or investments in the gutter press feels like sticking a knife in and twisting it as hard as you can. That mother, grandmother and great grandmother isn't even buried yet.

You mean envy, not jealousy. Lots of people
on MN misuse the word.

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 11/09/2022 21:10

You only have to look at this thread to see how misunderstood the Royal Family finances are. I read Norman Bakers book 'And What Do You Do' after a recommendation on Mumsnet which gives a lot of information on how opaque the RF finances are and the steps they have taken to keep them that way. He was a privy counsellor so knows what he is talking about - the people equating the palaces and etc with his personal inheritance could learn a lot from that book.

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 21:11

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 21:04

Nobody’s proposing giving them more. That figure’s about ten times the annual Sovereign Grant, by the way.

I haven't looked at how Republic arrived at those figures, but I'd be willing to bet that they have included lots of things that a President would cost us too. It's not like a hypothetical PotUK would be accommodated in a one bedroom flat in Hackney with a minimum wage G4S security guard for protection and a bicycle for travelling to engagements.

WoodlandMummy · 11/09/2022 21:11

FayeGovan · 11/09/2022 18:43

I hate to tell you but Charles wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, no matter what you tell yourself..

They rely on your servitude so well done..

👏🏼 👏🏼 this is so true!

VivX · 11/09/2022 21:11

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 20:57

@VivX I actually think the Situation with Sunak's wife is quite relevant.

She's a wealthy individual who was trying to reduce her tax liability through various, legal means. The press slaughtered her and her husband.

Wealthy individuals passing on wealth are held to a completely different Standard to the royals. We somehow just accept it from them.

We're probably talking at cross-purposes.

What I mean is, the fact that Sunak's wife may be worth 10x more than the Queen, does not make it okay for Charles to not pay IHT.

Butchyrestingface · 11/09/2022 21:11

Mehhhhhhh · 11/09/2022 18:20

It’s outrageous, and what’s equally awful is the number of serfs here who think it’s ok.

Yup.

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 21:12

@DdraigGoch What about the idiots in the middle, who can't avoid it ? No the monarch is not different to the duke of Westminster in this regard.

What annoys me is that if anyone non royal uses a trust or in some way makes tax savings, they're outcast / judged as disgusting human beings by the media and the royalists. So it's OK for the duke and his mates not to pay tax, but when someone else does it, they're labelled as immoral.

Time and time again we accuse people on here as being entitled / grabby / selfish, yet we totally accept it from the royals.

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LePigeon · 11/09/2022 21:12

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 21:06

Not really, the poor aren't liable for IHT. The rich have ways of avoiding it. Is the monarch any different from the (far wealthier) Duke of Westminster in this regard?

No ones saying the DOW shouldn't have to pay inheritance tax, you're the only one making this comparison. I think everyone who is against the monarchy avoiding paying IHT is also against the rich in general avoiding it 🙄

CaptaNoctem · 11/09/2022 21:15

Of course.. it’s always been one rule for them and one for us.

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 21:15

What about the idiots in the middle, who can't avoid it ?

The threshold is £1 million for a couple. Anyone nearing the threshold can avoid it, it’s not rocket science. Once again, only 4% of estates are liable for IHT.

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 21:19

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 21:12

@DdraigGoch What about the idiots in the middle, who can't avoid it ? No the monarch is not different to the duke of Westminster in this regard.

What annoys me is that if anyone non royal uses a trust or in some way makes tax savings, they're outcast / judged as disgusting human beings by the media and the royalists. So it's OK for the duke and his mates not to pay tax, but when someone else does it, they're labelled as immoral.

Time and time again we accuse people on here as being entitled / grabby / selfish, yet we totally accept it from the royals.

A married couple can leave £1m in assets tax-free. Just how many people are left in this 'squeezed middle'? Maybe they could speak to an accountant or put the house in their children's name (at least seven years before they die).

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 21:20

LePigeon · 11/09/2022 21:12

No ones saying the DOW shouldn't have to pay inheritance tax, you're the only one making this comparison. I think everyone who is against the monarchy avoiding paying IHT is also against the rich in general avoiding it 🙄

I'm not the only one making the comparison at all.

Indeed some other posters have said that they think that IHT should be abolished entirely.

Soontobe60 · 11/09/2022 21:21

waterwitch · 11/09/2022 18:18

@bjjgirl - although obviously this does mean that everyone else has to pay more tax to cover the shortfall. Of course you could be ok with that or not, but I think the OP is right, everyone should know and understand the implications

What is this ‘shortfall’ you talk of?

Soontobe60 · 11/09/2022 21:23

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 11/09/2022 19:51

More than you

How can you be certain?

TarasHarp55 · 11/09/2022 21:25

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:19

Why should we be? It’s not as if the cash would land in our bank accounts.

Sorry but I can't be complacent like that. It's the injustice, the inequality of it all. There's kids going to bed hungry tonight. We should all be angry