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Charles won't pay inheritance tax on what he inherits from the queen..

299 replies

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 18:12

Are people aware? And think this is OK ?

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TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 11/09/2022 20:31

It would be interesting to know the what the actual figures involved are.

But I think would be fair if we are all offered the same deal.

dreamyspires11 · 11/09/2022 20:31

CMZ2018 · 11/09/2022 20:28

Couldn’t care less. Inheritance tax is immoral anyway.

So none of us should pay it. It's one rule for them.

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 20:32

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 18:21

Really ? Do you get worked up when politicians or companies use LEGAL tax avoidance ( not evasion ) schemes ? Or accountants to help them keep their tax bills as low as possible ?

Or did you judge certain companies for using the furlough scheme ? Because the companies are winded by rich individuals ?

Seems hypocritical to me that we judge people for paying lower tax ( legally ) and are just fine with the KING not paying inheritance tax... seems weird. And before you say that he pays other tax, so do other wealthy individuals who get completely rinsed by the media for making sensible tax savings.

What's the point in getting worked up? It won't change anything.

Anyway, the reason that the King does not pay tax is that he is the King. Taxes get collected by His Majesty's Revenue and Customs before being handed to His Majesty's Treasury. He'd technically be paying tax to himself.

Whatinthewonderingfuckisthat · 11/09/2022 20:34

Maybe they tried to- but it was taken over by the English!

LePigeon · 11/09/2022 20:35

dreamyspires11 · 11/09/2022 20:31

So none of us should pay it. It's one rule for them.

Exactly. The point is being missed here massively. Whether you think it's immoral or not, the monarchy not having to pay it is one rule for them one rule for us - that's what people are upset about.

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 20:36

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 18:25

It's a legitimate point and people are entitled to raise it. Every other citizens of these islands is subject to inheritance tax, not least the Freedom of Information Act. As a PP above pointed out, that means those of us who do pay these taxes are carrying this family, who already have extensive wealth (and whose financial dealings we are not allowed to know).

As for being 'above the law', that's even more of a serious issue, particularly when teamed with the consequently empty sentiment 'he's never been found guilty of a criminal offence' (we all know who I'm talking about ). Given the protected, cossetted status of the family in question, is this really any wonder?

It's time people blinded by the vulgar pageantry, in thrall to the privileged classes and immediate willingness to kowtow to an 'HRH' title - because, y'know, 'history', were at least aware of exactly what it is they're supporting.

The monarchy is a corrupt, immoral, unaccountable institution.

Lots of people won't be subject to IHT. I'm pretty sure that my parents' combined wealth wouldn't hit the threshold for payment (never mind once care fees may have to be met in the future). Conversely the mega rich will have their estates held in trust (Duke of Westminster) or have bought up farmland (James Dyson) so that they aren't liable.

As King, laws don't apply to him, because they are his laws. That's why his car doesn't have a number plate.

wigywhoo · 11/09/2022 20:38

antelopevalley · 11/09/2022 18:47

The laws do not apply to the Royal Family. They can more or less do whatever they want.

We, no they can't. It's a constitutional monarchy not the Middle Ages, what pathetic hyperbole. Parliament has agreed the arrangement whereby they surrender the crown estate, as PP have said. Honestly I despair!

dreamyspires11 · 11/09/2022 20:38

Culldesack · 11/09/2022 20:03

All these threads bitching about the royals, on the death of the Queen, shows the lack of decorum of the OPs. Inviting a pile on when somebody has died. How bloody low can you get.

She was 96. She had a fantastic life. She's never had to suffer the hardship s most of her generation did. Nothing wrong with talking about the huge injustice of a monachy.

wigywhoo · 11/09/2022 20:39

Mfsf · 11/09/2022 18:50

No , none of the way the monarchy gets their money is ok . It’s time for a republic . Having a head of state based on genetic linkage makes nil sense in a modern society .

Actually we live in a Crowned Republic!

anon666 · 11/09/2022 20:41

What, none of it?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 20:45

What's the point in getting worked up? It won't change anything.

Anyway, the reason that the King does not pay tax is that he is the King. Taxes get collected by His Majesty's Revenue and Customs before being handed to His Majesty's Treasury. He'd technically be paying tax to himself.

Your second paragraph IMO amply answers the first. This is precisely the reason people are getting 'worked up'. In any society with pretentions to democracy, this is a ridiculous state of affairs. And it's far less the financial implications that bother me than the total lack of accountability. Odd though it seems, the only institution with any ability to hold this people to account for their actions is MSM. And reading between the lines, its reasonably easy to deduce here who or what is being bought and sold, and at what price.

Windsor-PR is a formidable and very effective machine. Certain people throughout the duration of Elizabeth's reign have tried valiantly to take that particular bull by the horns. They failed spectacularly, on every count.

As to your separately made point, it's perfectly true that below a certain threshold you'll be tax exempt; above it, the property and assets will be tied up in trust with particular loopholes for tax avoidance. Note that no one has ever seen any good reason to close those loopholes. Nor do the overwhelmingly right-wing UK media ever seriously question why tax avoidance is perfectly legal, yet benefit fraud is a criminal offence.

Not too great a reach to arrive at an accurate conclusion as to why.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 11/09/2022 20:45

antelopevalley · 11/09/2022 18:47

The laws do not apply to the Royal Family. They can more or less do whatever they want.

Not entirely true, although it's probably what Prince Andrew believed!

Dguu6u · 11/09/2022 20:45

That's ridiculous. And to think of all the dodgy ways they have built this wealth as well. Accepting money from Bin Laden's family. Changing Bills by bypassing the democratic process to protect their land and wealth. They are the richest family in the world, sitting on a golden throne while faking sympathy for the commoners who cannot even afford to put the heating on (not forgetting the time they actually tried to get support from the government to pay for their heating in their palaces, while this funding was only supposed to be for charities). Time for them to go.

LimpBiskit · 11/09/2022 20:46

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/09/2022 18:25

It's a legitimate point and people are entitled to raise it. Every other citizens of these islands is subject to inheritance tax, not least the Freedom of Information Act. As a PP above pointed out, that means those of us who do pay these taxes are carrying this family, who already have extensive wealth (and whose financial dealings we are not allowed to know).

As for being 'above the law', that's even more of a serious issue, particularly when teamed with the consequently empty sentiment 'he's never been found guilty of a criminal offence' (we all know who I'm talking about ). Given the protected, cossetted status of the family in question, is this really any wonder?

It's time people blinded by the vulgar pageantry, in thrall to the privileged classes and immediate willingness to kowtow to an 'HRH' title - because, y'know, 'history', were at least aware of exactly what it is they're supporting.

The monarchy is a corrupt, immoral, unaccountable institution.

well said

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:49

They are the richest family in the world,

They’re a long way from being the richest family in the UK, let alone the world.

WaitingRoomBoredom · 11/09/2022 20:50

It's simple corruption and even lore bizarre that some people here obviously think crowned slebs should be exempt from the laws that govern us all

VivX · 11/09/2022 20:51

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:29

The Queen wasn’t even in the top half of The Times Rich List. Sunak’s wife is worth about ten times as much.

So what if the Queen didn't make the top half of the rich list. Neither do 99% of the population, does that make all of us exempt from IHT, too?

Rishi Sunak's wife had nothing to do with this, either.
There's no cause and effect relationship between what Sunak's wife is doing and what Charles is doing.
You might as well tell us how much your neighbour's cat is worth, because that would have just as much relevance to Charles' situation.

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:52

96% of estates are below the IHT threshold. Hardly any of us pay it.

dreamyspires11 · 11/09/2022 20:53

As King, laws don't apply to him, because they are his laws. That's why his car doesn't have a number plate.

Time for change then. It's wrong on every count.

rwalker · 11/09/2022 20:53

Never get why just because someone dies the state can help themselves to a chunk of what they own
people object because it’s up to 40%
if it was a reasonable amount more would pay
my parents were outraged that it was so high as a result its been done so we pay nothing

ThunderLizard · 11/09/2022 20:55

Novella4 · 11/09/2022 19:43

Do you also agree with royals wills being secret ?

It's not true that royal wills are secret and everyone else's wills are published.

Wills are published by default, but everyone is entitled to apply to court to request that theirs is instead kept secret because there would be an excessive amount of intrusion if it were published. The royal family usually choose to make such an application. You can too if you want.

justlikethatt · 11/09/2022 20:57

@VivX I actually think the Situation with Sunak's wife is quite relevant.

She's a wealthy individual who was trying to reduce her tax liability through various, legal means. The press slaughtered her and her husband.

Wealthy individuals passing on wealth are held to a completely different Standard to the royals. We somehow just accept it from them.

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JudgeJ · 11/09/2022 20:57

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 11/09/2022 18:19

He inherits less than you think - Balmoral, Sandringham and whatever personal wealth she has.

Buckingham Palace/Windsor etc all belong to The Crown.

I think that some people think he could put everything on ebay and rightmove! As the monarch he owns Balmoral and Sandringham. In the '30s Edward VIII inherited them and retained them after he abdicated, the new King, George VI, had to buy them from him!

DdraigGoch · 11/09/2022 20:59

dreamyspires11 · 11/09/2022 20:18

How odd that some people aren't bothered. They should be.....and regarding the tourism thing. Nonsense.

Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't think?

Even the bloody king doesn't do that...

Pyewhacket · 11/09/2022 21:00

NutellaEllaElla · 11/09/2022 18:16

I don't think anyone should pay inheritance tax

Me neither. It's a scam.