AIBU .. to work on 19 September?

[ImJustMadAboutSaffron]

It's the first day back at work for me and the first day of freshers week. Of course the student activity planned for the day will not take place but I'd got several meetings planned with colleagues and student ambassadors as well as a couple of employers. These meetings will affect what we do in the rest of the week.

It's not about not showing respect or not caring about the queen and nothing whatsoever to do with the social side of university or drinking activities. Yes we can rearrange some things. But it's going to be rather awkward and have a knock on effect on the following week when the returners come back.

If the others are amenable - and I'm aware they might not be - I want to have the meetings, probably on Zoom.

AIBU?

This sounds sensible.

Not in fact. I accept that bank holidays happen throughout the year. However, I find it immensely frustrating that the people who can just take the time off unexpectedly because their jobs and livelihoods are safe can't understand that there's nothing wrong or disrespectful about asking other people to carry on as normal. There's very much an 'us' and 'them' when it comes to unexpected time off/cancellations.

This doesn’t even make sense?

Disrespectful to who?

There is absolutely something wrong, in asking someone who, would be off that day to work. Just like op doesn’t want to work on her day off on friday

Some jobs need people working on a. Bank holidays planned or last minute. Some business probably don’t need to, but still do. Some people get it off. Some people would prefer not to have it off.

But that’s doesnt really mean anything. The people who the Op is dealing will, have that day off. The fact that someone else doesn’t get it off and gets a day somewhere isn’t relevant.

I'm the only woman involved here and I don't have children. So it's all, er, academic in this instance ...

Just let me know. Please reply all to this so everyone can see our mutual availability."

Thats actually so much worse than speaking to them directly. And does encourage people to agree, when they don’t want to.

You're the one without a clue. What "problem" am I a part of exactly? The overreacting to a simple question is ridiculous.

Who are you, who doesn't know me, to comment on my self awareness? I think I know my job, my students (who would be paid for this very short check in) and colleagues, and culture, far better than you do.

There's no "problem" other than there's going to be a bigger one down the line in the next week. But that doesn't seem to matter, as we can all do overtime ... Oh wait ...

With how the current climate is with people struggling for money don’t think it was wise to make it a bank holiday with many people about to loose a days wages when they are already struggling.

How are you going to send that email without access to your laptop and vpn, OP?

I don’t think yabu to ask if they’re still up for having the short meetings, especially if you’re the only one who will age a long-ish day and it’s a few minutes for the others.

Do the invitees all have zoom on devices which will allow them to join from anywhere? Their plans to stay elsewhere over the weekend and return on Monday night could be scuppered.

Do you not have zoom app on your phone to rearrange?

Who are you, who doesn't know me, to comment on my self awareness? I think I know my job, my students (who would be paid for this very short check in) and colleagues, and culture, far better than you do.

so why bother with this thread if you already know? Pointless.

you’re not taking anything on board. Do you not think some of your colleagues and students might feel the same as people on this thread? Oh, sorry, I forgot you already know they’ll be ok with it 🙈🤷🏻‍♀️

I was going to wait until I get home Saturday. They might see it Monday morning, they might not. I think everyone has access yes.

Ok then.

Yes before I was course leader I had a colleague who had sensible boundaries and wouldn’t do stuff like marking at weekends regardless of deadlines. She was deemed not to be a team player and was “managed” out. The course leader at the time said she gave up asking x and just came to me as she knew I’d say yes. But obviously that wasn’t good for me. It also wasn’t fair that x was judged for working her contracted hours.

but I was seen as the blue eyed boy. My praises were sung far and wide and I was promoted. However the second a while later I mentioned the work load was unmanageable I was immediately told the problem was me. That I needed guidance on prioritising workload. People were visibly cross, eye rolling, tutting. I learnt to shut up and carry on killing my self. Toxic

Also you may be the only female in your team but it puts others off applying if they get wind of the culture in your team.

plus one course team are working bank holidays , does it then become expected by SLT? Well course x are working so why aren’t course y?

The lack of critical thinking and the unwillingness to see things from an alternative perspective is worrying considering your profession.

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron 🤦‍♀️

Please DO NOT ask the students. They will feel under pressure to say yes no matter how you word it.

It doesn't matter what the holiday is for, it is a holiday just like Christmas Day, good Friday, Monday holidays etc.

You can work if you want to. BUT you cannot ask anyone else to.

But as you're going to ignore all of this, at least check the times and avoid all the funeral coverage.

When I was a student we had an additional bank holiday fall during term time. I can't remember now what it was for. I remember though our lecturer deciding that he was still going to do our seminar and expected us to be there (pre online meeting days)

We were NOT happy but no one felt we could challenge him on it.

If because a lot of other people said yes, especially "important people", which means they can't say no to meeting on BH (assuming they don't want to meet on BH) then when would they say no? Presumably couldn't say no just because they didn't have childcare, had a lesson to teach (or attend), had to work, had a funeral to attend. I mean, if that's how little agency they have, and how bad the power imbalance is, they must never have agency to say no to anything, right?

This is not "my team" They're people I need to work with on this occasion. They're not in my team. It's also not a course thing either.

It's some people who are taking part in things over the course of a week and discussion to finalize things were to happen on Monday 19th. The examples you've given are way over the top and not applicable.

Cheers for that.

So we're all wrong? Even the people who do the same job as you?

Not once have you acknowledged that someone might have a point. Why did you bother posting if you just wanted everyone to agree.

You say you'll email on Saturday and they'll see it on Monday? They won't, because THEY WILL NOT BE WORKING.

@MomsnetAdmin she is able to run clinics independently of additional support from other people except for chaperones where required who are drawn from wards and will be available on a BH.

She's really not a "doughnut". She's been a paediatric consultant for over 10 years and knows exactly what she is doing which includes workarounds where required so she can run clinics despite lack of availability from other staff.

Ah yes the wards that are famously so well stocked and flowing over with free HCAs on a bank holiday. She will open up the clinic and lock up also and go out to check everyone in and update people with clinic wait times . V nice of her. I'm not sure if you know what goes into running a clinic!

@ClutcherOfPearls I don't know what is required at all. My friend does. She would prefer to see her patients as planned.

Work away. But it’s a bank holiday- so don’t expect your colleagues to show up to meetings. I wouldn’t.

I think it a terrible shame to have a bank holiday. Thousands and thousands of people across the UK will have surgery and medical appoints cancelled as all elective work will be cancelled. Some may be having urgent cancer surgery or consultations on chemo. We have no idea where we can shoe horn any of those poor people into as there are no theatre or clinic spaces left with our huge waiting lists.

I'm sorry but no ones funeral should postpone this. These people are just as important was the Queen was.

I'm usually pro Royalty but the incessant news coverage and placing the funeral above everything else sits very uncomfortably with me. Its too indulgent.

Ooops submitted before last paragraph - I think if you and any collegues want to work (if they are pro getting things done on this day) you should. Just take the time back another time.