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How do you justify the royals ?

220 replies

slippe · 10/09/2022 11:13

So their ancestors were essentially the biggest bullies and managed to get what they could and have now passed it on.

They're people, just like us, but get to 'rule' over us.

How do you justify this ? It's just so wrong and outdated. Please tell me your reasons why you Support this, I am genuinely interested in whether I can change my mind about it all.

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WonkasBooboofixer · 10/09/2022 14:52

I liken them to my fancy China. Something to whip out for fancy occasions that's a bit different to the everyday. And when it's all going tits up for one of them it's nice to have a reminder that no matter how wealthy or posh you are every family has its pillocks.

fluffinsalad · 10/09/2022 14:58

Because our PMs have some one to be intimidated by - the King or Queen. Queen Elizabeth seen 13 PMs come and go and it must have been very unsettling to know that you were the top leader in the country yet you still had to go and explain yourself to some one. Checks and balances.

It very trendy at the moment for British people to HATE Britain. But in reality we are a very stable country, with people still making a bee line to live and work here. I am happy to continue with a monarchy.

I would HATE a US style approach.

Badger1970 · 10/09/2022 15:01

I love that we have centuries of history with our Monarchy, and think we'd all be poorer without it.

WitnessX · 10/09/2022 15:02

Explain yourself to someone who has either seen leaders before you or will see leaders (your rivals) in the future. It is a simple, but effective form of safeguarding.

KohinoorDiamond · 10/09/2022 15:16

Hbh17 · 10/09/2022 11:42

The royal family have the "soft power" to convene and influence, and to support charitable causes.
They are above and apart from party politics.
The business of the state can continue seamlessly and there is no wrangling and controversy about electing a new Head of State.
They serve us, the people.
This week has made me ever more proud and grateful that we have a monarchy.

They serve us, the people.

Are you sure they serve us, the people?

Any claim to the crown and royalty is usually backed by the idea of divine appointment.

So, they serve God, hence the role of Head of Church, defender of the faith and the coronation oath.

Look at the census data. It’s strange that so many people support the monarchy but don’t believe in God so much. The two (God and monarchy) go hand in hand; monarchy is harder to justify without God in the arena.

WifeMotherWorker · 10/09/2022 15:19

Wonderful to see the national and global outpouring of love for our dear Queen. More people love and support the monarchy than don’t, just look at all the amazing crowds in London. So you can stick your goady post!

slippe · 10/09/2022 15:33

Charles won't pay inheritance tax and you're all pissed off at sunak's wife. Hypocrisy !

This is not a goady post.

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TarasHarp55 · 10/09/2022 15:52

Im certain that the most hardened royalists would change their minds if they read that book "And what do you do" by Norman Baker. Mind blowing.

Cruisebabe1 · 10/09/2022 15:53

unicormb · 10/09/2022 11:40

I don't justify them. It's undemocratic to have an unelected head of state.

So go and live in a republic then.

fluffinsalad · 10/09/2022 15:56

WifeMotherWorker · 10/09/2022 15:19

Wonderful to see the national and global outpouring of love for our dear Queen. More people love and support the monarchy than don’t, just look at all the amazing crowds in London. So you can stick your goady post!

Agreed

readingatdawn · 10/09/2022 16:02

Cruisebabe1 · 10/09/2022 15:53

So go and live in a republic then.

Lol. Why should anyone who disagrees with the concept of an unelected government have to move country? Raising the argument of democracy is a very valid point.

DownNative · 10/09/2022 16:04

unicormb · 10/09/2022 11:40

I don't justify them. It's undemocratic to have an unelected head of state.

This is a misunderstanding of democracy as its not undemocratic to have an unelected Head Of State.

In the same way its NOT undemocratic that there is no right to independence anywhere in the world save for two countries.

Democracy is whatever the majority agree to. In this case, the Royal Family.

felulageller · 10/09/2022 16:07

Love for the Windsors is just self flagellation.

LadyKenya · 10/09/2022 16:10

Badger1970 · 10/09/2022 15:01

I love that we have centuries of history with our Monarchy, and think we'd all be poorer without it.

You speak for everybody do you? We would all be poorer without it.Hmm

LadyKenya · 10/09/2022 16:12

fluffinsalad · 10/09/2022 15:56

Agreed

Lots of people will go just to be part of it all, not just those who support the royals.

readingatdawn · 10/09/2022 16:29

DownNative · 10/09/2022 16:04

This is a misunderstanding of democracy as its not undemocratic to have an unelected Head Of State.

In the same way its NOT undemocratic that there is no right to independence anywhere in the world save for two countries.

Democracy is whatever the majority agree to. In this case, the Royal Family.

How do we know the majority agree when theres never been a vote on the monarchy? 🤔 That in itself makes it an undemocratic form of government.

The majority simply putting up with it because it's the easier option doesn't equal democracy. If there was an actual vote on the matter it could very possibly sway in favour of a republic, but as there has never been one, we can't say for sure what the majority agree with.

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 16:46

We can see what the polls say. Almost two thirds supported the monarchy in the most recent one. I suspect if another one was carried out next week the percentage would be higher.

www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-by-age/

RustyBear · 10/09/2022 18:03

Pumperthepumper · 10/09/2022 12:59

Me! I do! Melt it down, we could sell it and use the money to fund foodbanks.

Sorry, the Gold Coach is only gilded, not solid gold, so if you tried to melt it, it would probably just catch fire. Apparently it's the most uncomfortable thing ever to ride in, Queen Victoria used to refuse to use it because it made her feel seasick, and though it had rubberised wheels added after WWII, the late Queen still said her journey to the Coronation was "horrible"

Pumperthepumper · 10/09/2022 18:08

RustyBear · 10/09/2022 18:03

Sorry, the Gold Coach is only gilded, not solid gold, so if you tried to melt it, it would probably just catch fire. Apparently it's the most uncomfortable thing ever to ride in, Queen Victoria used to refuse to use it because it made her feel seasick, and though it had rubberised wheels added after WWII, the late Queen still said her journey to the Coronation was "horrible"

Thanks for that Flowers It’s still worth around 5 million so if it’s so uncomfortable I’m sure we could put that money to good use.

DownNative · 10/09/2022 18:16

readingatdawn · 10/09/2022 16:29

How do we know the majority agree when theres never been a vote on the monarchy? 🤔 That in itself makes it an undemocratic form of government.

The majority simply putting up with it because it's the easier option doesn't equal democracy. If there was an actual vote on the matter it could very possibly sway in favour of a republic, but as there has never been one, we can't say for sure what the majority agree with.

@readingatdawn We are a representative democracy is one of two political developments that arose over time.

The other development is consent of the governed which works in tandem with representation.

The public does NOT need to be consulted on any number of things since we consent to being governed via representatives in Parliament.

Our consent for the Monarchy is the default as is our consent to be taxed at the government's discretion.

This is the basis of European democracy.

FlorettaB · 10/09/2022 18:19

How do I justify the royals? Look at the people we elect. I’m not a royalist I’m a realist. We’d end up with a total shitshow.

How do you justify the royals ?
Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 18:26

And look how well our brief flirtation with republicanism went 400 years ago. The nation rejoiced at having its monarchy restored.

mynamesnotMa · 10/09/2022 18:31

Gosh get rid of the Royals make Elitist Blighty a modern country free from mysygogny racism and tradition. Are you insane 😳

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 18:55

You really think if we didn’t have a monarchy our society wouldn’t be misogynistic or racist? Have you had a look at the USA lately?

Milliemoo1908 · 10/09/2022 19:53

UWhatNow · 10/09/2022 12:01

You know it’s not the dark ages don’t you? They won’t whip you while you’re toiling your tithed strip of land to eek a living? They won’t chop off your head if you don’t bow to them?

They’re just a figure head with a unique symbolic constitutional role. I’d rather have this lot with their baubles and shiny gold carriages and a 1000 year back story than some ‘elected’ head of state which just makes us another grey, boring republic. Worthy but dull.

The pomp and gold carriages is what makes us irrationally proud, gives a feel good flag waving day when there is royal wedding and gives us global soft power.

There really isn’t more to it than that. You wouldn’t save much money getting rid of it but as a nation we’d be poorer spiritually and ceremonially.

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