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How do you justify the royals ?

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slippe · 10/09/2022 11:13

So their ancestors were essentially the biggest bullies and managed to get what they could and have now passed it on.

They're people, just like us, but get to 'rule' over us.

How do you justify this ? It's just so wrong and outdated. Please tell me your reasons why you Support this, I am genuinely interested in whether I can change my mind about it all.

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Wearefoooked22 · 10/09/2022 12:34

I didn’t think I wanted a royal family but I do,most of the world is mourning our queen !

Giggorata · 10/09/2022 12:34

UWhatNow · 10/09/2022 12:01

You know it’s not the dark ages don’t you? They won’t whip you while you’re toiling your tithed strip of land to eek a living? They won’t chop off your head if you don’t bow to them?

They’re just a figure head with a unique symbolic constitutional role. I’d rather have this lot with their baubles and shiny gold carriages and a 1000 year back story than some ‘elected’ head of state which just makes us another grey, boring republic. Worthy but dull.

The pomp and gold carriages is what makes us irrationally proud, gives a feel good flag waving day when there is royal wedding and gives us global soft power.

There really isn’t more to it than that. You wouldn’t save much money getting rid of it but as a nation we’d be poorer spiritually and ceremonially.

I so agree with this.
Just imagine President Blair, President Thatcher, President Boris… ooooh no.

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 12:37

I don’t give a fuck whether or not you change your mind @slippe. You and your ilk continue to try to make me change mine. Ain’t happening and nothing would change yours.

Whokno · 10/09/2022 12:37

AuxArmesCitoyens · 10/09/2022 12:25

The queen wasn't trained from birth, no-one knew she was going to be queen at that point, so yeah basically anyone could do it.

No, but she saw her Father thrust into the role of King, which he'd never wanted or expected, and she blamed that for his early death. So she was extremely well aware of the importance of duty and fulfilling her role in life. Also, being born as 3rd in line to the throne, when your uncle has no children, is hardly the same as a random person.

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:40

can someone explain why having a president is so much worse than having a prime minister ?

The King/ queen don't actually ever get involved in the legislative process, aside from giving royal assent. Which they basically have to do every time. If they didn't, this would be huge. A constitutional Moment for the UK. So what power does the royal actually have in terms of making new laws ?

I was taught, none. Then there are the royal prerogative powers, left over form when the royal actually had power to make decisions. But I seem to remember that government can use those powers.

Yours, a public law student of circa 2010.. who may remember things entirely incorrectly. But I thought the royal actually do anything..

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WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 10/09/2022 12:41

Not gonna bite. Nothing to see here. Toodle pipski @slippe

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:41

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 12:37

I don’t give a fuck whether or not you change your mind @slippe. You and your ilk continue to try to make me change mine. Ain’t happening and nothing would change yours.

Why do you have to be so rude ?

I literally don't want to change your mind. I was just opening a very simple discussion. I'm happy for my mind to be changed. I'm trying to learn, not piss you off .

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MiauzenKatzenjammer · 10/09/2022 12:43

You can't really, but a lot of people are sentimental about what they are used to.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 10/09/2022 12:45

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 12:37

I don’t give a fuck whether or not you change your mind @slippe. You and your ilk continue to try to make me change mine. Ain’t happening and nothing would change yours.

Exactly this. Funny how the anti-Royalists always seem to demand to know why we Royalists love the Royals as we do, like we owe them an explanation! Hmm

As you say, I have zero interest in trying to sway them into liking the Royals, as IDGAF what they think, as they irrelevant and unimportant to me. Yet they are always trying to turn the Royalists again the Royals, and demanding to know whhhhhyyy? WHY do we like them?

This goady thread is right up there with 'whhhhy do people vote for the Tories...? whhhyyy? what does it meeeeeeeeeean?' Wink

Pathetic.

Whokno · 10/09/2022 12:45

Trump came very close to overturning democracy in the USA. Scarily close. I'm not saying a King/Queen would stop the constitutional crisis. But just the fact that a new PM can't be made PM without the monarch, does offer some protection.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 10/09/2022 12:45

The royals influence legislation upstream to fit it to their needs, no wonder they assent to everything. That us how they get their various tax exemptions etc.

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 12:47

Enough of the faux wide eyed innocence @slippe. It’s blatantly obvious why you started this thread. You just fancied a bunfight.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 10/09/2022 12:47

slippe · 10/09/2022 12:41

Why do you have to be so rude ?

I literally don't want to change your mind. I was just opening a very simple discussion. I'm happy for my mind to be changed. I'm trying to learn, not piss you off .

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Yeah right......... 😂

AuxArmesCitoyens · 10/09/2022 12:49

Some leading royals properly cosied up to the Nazis in the 1930s. If Edward hadn't abdicated we might well have been jn real trouble on that front. Not sure I would rely on them as a safeguard against fascism.

Carpy88999 · 10/09/2022 12:49

Pava22 · 10/09/2022 12:12

I'm not a royalist but it is a big part of the UKs culture, tradition, heritage and identity

I personally think the UK doesn't have a huge amount of culture compared to others.

Are you mad?

Carpy88999 · 10/09/2022 12:49

Whokno · 10/09/2022 12:45

Trump came very close to overturning democracy in the USA. Scarily close. I'm not saying a King/Queen would stop the constitutional crisis. But just the fact that a new PM can't be made PM without the monarch, does offer some protection.

No he didn't.

worriedatthistime · 10/09/2022 12:50

How do you justify lots of things ? Why should someone live in a big house and I don't
Why should someone else have a holiday
Its life that is all there is to it , history as well
You can learn all you need to why if you learn some history

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:50

Blossomtoes · 10/09/2022 12:47

Enough of the faux wide eyed innocence @slippe. It’s blatantly obvious why you started this thread. You just fancied a bunfight.

No. Can this topic not be discussed without that ?

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:51

worriedatthistime · 10/09/2022 12:50

How do you justify lots of things ? Why should someone live in a big house and I don't
Why should someone else have a holiday
Its life that is all there is to it , history as well
You can learn all you need to why if you learn some history

Yeah totally true. How can you justify being born into a very rich family and inheriting all of that. Also technically ' not fair '

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AuxArmesCitoyens · 10/09/2022 12:52

Also not sure having one unelected individual able to invalidate the result of a democratic election if they don't like the look of the winner is a massive plus point.

Pumperthepumper · 10/09/2022 12:52

I agree with you. If we really have to have one to avoid a republic then fine but we don’t need hundreds of them and they don’t need castles or gold carriages or any of the other obscenities.

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:53

AuxArmesCitoyens · 10/09/2022 12:45

The royals influence legislation upstream to fit it to their needs, no wonder they assent to everything. That us how they get their various tax exemptions etc.

I think if they didn't give royal assent, it would be a big Moment and they probably wouldn't survive it.

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ShedHead7 · 10/09/2022 12:54

No one should have the automatic right to "rule" millions of other people, just because of the womb they grew in.

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slippe · 10/09/2022 12:55

ShedHead7 · 10/09/2022 12:54

No one should have the automatic right to "rule" millions of other people, just because of the womb they grew in.

But do they actually rule ? They can't make any decisions. Or ?

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noclothesinbed · 10/09/2022 12:55

Yawn