Schools closed for the Queen’s funeral

[Notme1980]

First off, Queen Elizabeth II was an amazing ruler and an inspiration, we are a forces family and my husband has served her for 30 plus years.

but - I do not want the schools to be closed for her funeral (or for any reason at all), I want us to do what I believe she would have done, press on.

So it is impossible to know how many people would have died l long term health impacts without the lockdown measures. Of course you can look at countries such as Sweden with no lock downs for a rough comparison but each country and health care system is different. Equally we will no know for sure for many years how many will die / long term health impact as an indirect result of the Covid measures.

I could of course turn say that no new measures or funding is being done in September 2022 to stop the man dying at home of a heart attack because of long ambulance waiting times. Or the fact that 100k children have simply dropped off the education register post pandemic or the economic damage caused to the country for generations or the cancer patient that missed his diagnosis because of the lockdown measures and it is now too late for treatment?

And the answer isn't simply more money for the NHS because all the money (£450 billion) was spent on Covid measures and now energy support (£150 billion) .

Kudos to you for being brave enough to say that all these post pandemic impacts caused by the measures are and will be a price worth paying to have prevented a higher but unknown increase in the people who died in 2020 and 2021. I personally don't think they are, but the truth and facts will never be known so we are just left with subjective opinions.

In England schools are never open on a bank holiday, many fall within the school holidays but any that do, such as the early bank holiday Monday, is a bank holiday and schools and businesses close. The additional Jubilee bank holiday fell within school holidays but because it was an additional one schools (and other employees entitled to the day) could take it at an alternative time.

Or the fact that 100k children have simply dropped off the education register post pandemic

This isn’t a fact. fullfact.org/education/evening-standard-missing-school-children-covid/

The world needs to pause and reflect to watch this event.

@1dayatatime yes you can cut the blather, I'm interested in what you would have done, or not done, in April 2020.

Ok it would be accurate to say that nearly 100k had dropped off the education register in the period up to December 2021 compared to pre Covid levels.

The number that currently remain dropped off the education register is unknown because the figures haven't been released.

www.theweek.co.uk/news/education/953310/how-100000-lost-children-disappeared-from-uk-school-system?amp

Why?

The queen has no impact on my life whatsoever.

If there is a bank holiday that means taking a day's leave (without pay) or trying to find childcare. It's a hassle I could do without.

The funeral has now been confirmed for 19th September-now people can start to make any necessary plans.

IT IS NOT JUST SCHOOLS WHICH ARE CLOSING.
IT IS NOT TEACHERS WHO MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE IT A BANK HOLIDAY.

"The queen has no impact on my life whatsoever."

"If there is a bank holiday that means taking a day's leave (without pay) or trying to find childcare. It's a hassle I could do without."

Only one of these must be true then!

Seriously, Mumsnet is already a nightmare for posters just wanting to have a go at teachers but some posters on this thread is ridiculous.

Do people genuinely believe teachers had any say in this decision!

Where are the threads complaining that certain shops will be closed that day? That offices and other businesses will be closed that day? That there will be reduced transport links that day? Because it really isn't just schools that will close on a bank holiday!

You should get the time, pro rats, to take at another time. Just like with the additional bank holiday for the Jubilee.

Already looking forward to the same thread happening, most likely next year, for the Coronation. Maybe we should just bump this one instead of just posting the same comments all over again!

"Do people genuinely believe teachers had any say in this decision"

Of course not. - They think it's the unions!

Schools (and other employees in jobs which have BH as part of their contract) we're told to take the additional BH at another time. We tagged ours on to the same holiday, so children returned on the Tuesday, not Monday. Other schools took it at totally different times of the year.

Ok it would be accurate to say that nearly 100k had dropped off the education register in the period up to December 2021 compared to pre Covid levels.

Again no. Pre-covid there were 60,000 children persistently absent.

’Dropped off the register’ is also not an accurate way to describe someone with less than 50% attendance.

From the DfE.

Monday 19 September is the date of the funeral.
It is a bank holiday.
Schools will be closed.

Oh good, another one who sees school as free fucking childcare. Why should school staff miss the chance to watch the funeral with their families so that you don't have to bother with yours?

@Abraxan you really need to read the whole thread my love....that is all!! Thanks for the lesson though...

But whilst we are on it. The point was made that no one complained about the Jubilee Bank holiday which is true, and officially the actual Jubilee bank holiday was during the June holiday which i was correct in saying...go back through the thread where i make further comment about when schools chose to take it, I cant be bothered explaining it again...

You are using the flawed logic that your situation reflects how a nation feels.

It has been confirmed by Deoarrment of education that all schools will be shut

Absolutely. A bunch of teenagers who live for this post-modern, sarcastic Tik-Tok world of insincerity and mocking contempt, funnelled into a space to play off each others' attempts at being the most offensive and inappropriate...
Unless posters here have actually tried to deliver a serious topic to gangs of teenagers like this, I'd suggest they don't suggest that we try to get them to watch the Queen's funeral en masse.

What would be accurate to say is that there was no centralised record of children attending school and their locations and when attempting to assess the impact of the pandemic lockdowns on children, it was discovered that there was a difference between local authority records and those of child benefit claims. Similar lack of recordkeeping is illustrated with the Windrush children being denied healthcare, passports, benefits, the right to work and deportation - because there weren't any records kept/the only manual evidence was destroyed.

Part of the reason is that local authorities did not maintain a record of children being electively home educated - as EHE parents often point out on here, they are under no obligation to inform the local authority at all - part because private schools were not obliged to notify local authorities that a child has started with them or had left (many don't use computer records systems compatible with those of maintained schools or government data transfer, for example) and councils did not keep records of children who had left not just the UK, but where they had moved to other countries in the UK. A few years ago when the rhetoric about foreign born people claiming child benefit when their children weren't in the country illustrates that issue. And there is huge potential for oversights and errors in schools reporting - academies also had a reputation for offrolling just before exams, something they could avoid drawing attention to if the LA were not informed of the children leaving until after the exams. The latter became a focus for Ofsted following the discovery of large numbers being notified as having left once it was too late to do anything about it.

Some will undoubtedly be children who have fallen out of the system. Some will be where parents are EHE perfectly legally and did not wish the LA to know anything about it or were forced to do so due to the lack of EHCP and SEND support. Some will have parents who removed them for fair means or foul or who are neglectful/disinterested or the children have refused to attend or run away - or, as there is a facility for privacy for children under certain circumstances to be allocated new pupil numbers, new names and no way of linking them to previous identities, such as when witnesses or in certain adoptions, because they can't be traced due to safety concerns. Some will have had parents that left due to Brexit/deportation. And once it was decided that Covid impact was the most compelling reason to create a checkable record (previous attempts had been abandoned due to cost and practicality concerns) and probably another 'HOW MUCH are we paying for immigrants' children that might not even be here anymore?

But there aren't the best part of a million children locked in bedrooms or hanging around on the street as a direct result of Covid lockdowns. The work is ongoing, but they are doing it.

It's a Bank Holiday. Schools will be closed. As a teacher I will be at home watching this historic moment with my own family. What you may want is utterly irrelevant.

It's official! Break out the Pimms for the last of the Summer. It's going to be a bank holiday!

I think that it will be a difficult day for a lot of people. Not because they are grieving but because they will have to rearrange their lives for a sudden public event.

for instance:
Kids aren't in school but parents have to work and have no one to look after the kids.
People who get paid for the days they work and don't get paid because people won't want them in their homes when they're watching the funeral - self employed, temps, contractors etc.
People who had medical appointments that they've waited months to get and are now cancelled. Yes they can rebook, if they can get through to the surgery and if there's appointments available.