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Energy Bills capped at £2500 a year - for the average household (subject to usage)

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BecauseICan22 · 08/09/2022 11:47

Truss has just announced this.

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vera99 · 08/09/2022 12:31

Theresa May showing the world they were mad to get rid of her.

Aroundthetwist · 08/09/2022 12:31

Unforgettablefire · 08/09/2022 12:22

Are they allowed to bump up the standing charges massively but keep to the cap for the prices per kw? Or does the cap include the standing charge?

No. The standing charge increase arose primarily as a result of the failure of small suppliers. The standing charge can’t just be increased - that won’t happen.

They may fall slightly, I can’t remember if green levies are included in the standing charge but I think they are and the government has just announced that they will be removed.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 08/09/2022 12:33

Littlemisspawpatrol · 08/09/2022 12:29

Thank you that's really helpful.

Helpful but forgot to add one key piece of information.

The government = taxpayers. So essentially we're going to borrow billions of pounds to protect the interests of energy giants and then either pay increase taxesin future or cut services

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 08/09/2022 12:34

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 08/09/2022 12:33

Helpful but forgot to add one key piece of information.

The government = taxpayers. So essentially we're going to borrow billions of pounds to protect the interests of energy giants and then either pay increase taxesin future or cut services

That should say "increase taxes or cut services to pay for it in the future".

Hit post while editing by mistake.

Littlemisspawpatrol · 08/09/2022 12:35

I've just looked to see if it's worth swapping my fixed for the new variable and they're both almost identical for unit cost! If anyone knows what the standing charge will be fixed at in October, please tag me!

EverydayIsPJday · 08/09/2022 12:35

I've just switched off our fixed rate (now higher than proposed cap) back to the variable rate. Atleast no penalty fee!

Flowership · 08/09/2022 12:38

So, broadly speaking, the households who were bothered about energy increases because they would have to cut back on non-essential spend/ not save as much as they normally do, are breathing a sigh of relief, whereas the truly struggling households who can’t afford any increase are still screwed?

So Middle England is saved and the poor are fucked. Is that it?

dottiedodah · 08/09/2022 12:39

I read in The Telegraph ,Bills will be around 61% higher than last year.So a rough estimate.

Anothernamechangeplease · 08/09/2022 12:40

That was my first thought.

BunsyGirl · 08/09/2022 12:40

We’re on LPG. Hope something is put in place regarding that. We are screwed over because LPG shouldn’t be affected by natural gas prices but they have used the current situation as an excuse to double the cost.

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2022 12:40

Flowership · 08/09/2022 12:38

So, broadly speaking, the households who were bothered about energy increases because they would have to cut back on non-essential spend/ not save as much as they normally do, are breathing a sigh of relief, whereas the truly struggling households who can’t afford any increase are still screwed?

So Middle England is saved and the poor are fucked. Is that it?

They still got the cash payment though?

Which is equal to the increase for the average use

Travis1 · 08/09/2022 12:40

Flowership · 08/09/2022 12:38

So, broadly speaking, the households who were bothered about energy increases because they would have to cut back on non-essential spend/ not save as much as they normally do, are breathing a sigh of relief, whereas the truly struggling households who can’t afford any increase are still screwed?

So Middle England is saved and the poor are fucked. Is that it?

Standard, just enough that those 2024 voters do their thing

Anothernamechangeplease · 08/09/2022 12:40

Anothernamechangeplease · 08/09/2022 12:40

That was my first thought.

Sorry, meant to quote @Flowership.

Winnietheboo · 08/09/2022 12:41

Flowership · 08/09/2022 12:38

So, broadly speaking, the households who were bothered about energy increases because they would have to cut back on non-essential spend/ not save as much as they normally do, are breathing a sigh of relief, whereas the truly struggling households who can’t afford any increase are still screwed?

So Middle England is saved and the poor are fucked. Is that it?

What would you propose then? This is an extraordinary intervention and businesses are getting an equivalent helping hand. This means that essentials like food etc are unlikely to rise as much in price which will help families as well as the cap.

Winnietheboo · 08/09/2022 12:42

People on low incomes/benefits are rightly still getting the other help that was previously announced, so whilst the cap benefits everyone rightly so they will get some additional support.

Winnietheboo · 08/09/2022 12:42

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2022 12:40

They still got the cash payment though?

Which is equal to the increase for the average use

Nothing will be good enough for some people.

anystropheus · 08/09/2022 12:43

Mogs43 · 08/09/2022 11:54

I am sure oil and gas companies are thrilled to be given so much money from the tax payer! They should have to pay towards it through a windfall tax - it feels wrong to burden future generations.

I am also unsure how they can be confident prices will fall in two years …

Agree with everything you have said.

I don't want future generations saddled with the truss tax

Kashmirsilver · 08/09/2022 12:44

Winnietheboo · 08/09/2022 12:41

What would you propose then? This is an extraordinary intervention and businesses are getting an equivalent helping hand. This means that essentials like food etc are unlikely to rise as much in price which will help families as well as the cap.

Some people just like to complain for the sake of it.
The annoying part about all this is, that people won't learn how to regulate their usage.

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 08/09/2022 12:44

Great, but also don’t fall for the spin.

She’s not imposing anything on the actual energy companies themselves though is she. They can still charge however much they want and the government will absorb the cost, which in real terms means we will as tax payers. So really, she’s not done as much as she could be doing.

LizzieSiddal · 08/09/2022 12:44

We’re on LPG. Hope something is put in place regarding that. We are screwed over because LPG shouldn’t be affected by natural gas prices but they have used the current situation as an excuse to double the cost.

Same here! It really is a scandal.

Aurora791 · 08/09/2022 12:45

BunsyGirl · 08/09/2022 12:40

We’re on LPG. Hope something is put in place regarding that. We are screwed over because LPG shouldn’t be affected by natural gas prices but they have used the current situation as an excuse to double the cost.

Also on LPG and it’s concerning isn’t it- no real way of knowing how much gas will go up by, and we only get billed quarterly so could be in for a hell of a shock. We’re also on a bulk metered supply for our whole estate, so can’t even shop around for a (marginally) better deal!

BunsyGirl · 08/09/2022 12:48

@LizzieSiddal it is scandalous.

@Aurora791 we have tried to shop round but we can’t get a better rate. It’s a bloody cartel.

MarshaBradyo · 08/09/2022 12:49

Winnietheboo · 08/09/2022 12:42

Nothing will be good enough for some people.

It does feel endless as people will want more no matter what

Handing cash to people was a bad idea. People don’t remember it happened and it’s not at source like a bill freeze.

Hydrangeatea · 08/09/2022 12:49

Littlemisspawpatrol · 08/09/2022 12:04

Can someone explain the economics of this to me please? When it says, funded by the tax payer, does this mean that we can only be charged (for example) 30p per kwh, but if the wholesale price plus profit is 50p per khw then the tax payer pays the difference for the amount the country actually uses?

The government will sign an agreement with the energy companies that they will charge households up to a certain value and then the government will pay them the difference between that and the prices at the time. It will be funded by taxpayers yes.

LizzieSiddal · 08/09/2022 12:51

@BunsyGirl Im with Flogas and they are pretty good. I’m paying 48p at the moment but have been told it will go up to 75p in Oct!

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