To ask why people vote Tory?

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It has to be said that life in the UK on low or middle income is much harder than it seemingly is in other western countries of similar wealth. I dont think the Tory party is making this country a nice place to live in at all. But they keep getting voted in.

So if you vote Tory:
Why do you vote for them?
Would you ever change your vote and for what reason?
Do you feel uncomfortable at how Tory policies batter the most vulnerable in our society? For example making it impossible for people to get on the housing ladder, high rents and low tenant protections, no energy bill caps, etc?

NB: I dont want this to turn into a Tory bashing thread. I'd just like to hear how Tory supporters feel about their party.

You are wrong. The marginal propensity to consume of low earners is more than mine, which is where the economic benefit would come from.

As to me being destitute, what on Earth are you talking about? My DH earns more than enough to support us both if I decided to do something so silly as to give my wage away.

I would love to Have a high tax, high services for everyone government like many other European particularly Scandinavian governments do. But that doesn’t appear to be an option. Labour is very much about means testing services and punishing mid to high earners. It is especially anti small business. So I would never vote Labour. I have flipped between conservative and lib dem. Not sure who I would vote for at the moment.

Brown also sold off a huge amount of the country’s gold reserves at an extremely low price. He was also involved with Labour’s huge PFI rollout, which was around £300 billion for projects worth £54 billion.

And there’s another one unable to comprehend l that good, educated intelligent people can disagree with you about politics.

Can’t you understand the harm that you and others like you do to Labour’s chances of being ejected, or do you just not care?

Another problem with attitudes like the one above is that it also reduces people’s willingness to fund the things that you want funded. It makes people think “why should my taxes go to the things that are wanted by those people who hate me.”

Could you please explain what aspects of my life could be considered stupid or selfish?

1. I am a qualified women’s health nurse
2. I care for a disabled husband
3. I work as a volunteer for MIND
4. I volunteer helping adults with learning difficulties
5. I help out with our local food bank

Thank you. I can’t see what it achieves. I’ll debate forever because I’m passionately interested in politics. I love a good spar with an intelligent Tory. 😉

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You should give all that up and spend all your time throwing abuse at those who don't agree with you politically. What's wrong with you.

I forgot to add you bigot 😂

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im not sure why you think doing all that <waves arms airily> in any way compares to “liking and sharing” on social media. You bigot. 🤷‍♀️😉

Haha at recent posts

you’ve got to spend at least put effort in telling people you really care and calling people stupid / selfish on SM for it to count

They more than halved the claimant count, bringing it down to levels not seen since 1975 (when it would have been artificially low thanks to lots of unproductive jobs in nationalised industry. It did spike during the pandemic but is dropping quickly again.

Have you looked deeper than the headline figures touted.by Tories themselves?

Because Labour, LibDems and Green all have the same policy on abolishing single-sex spaces and I am not ok with it. Because they have abandoned girls’ safeguarding in favour of placating adult transwomen who teach fake science and lies to school children and I am not ok with that. Because a teacher of great integrity is now in jail as a direct result of those kind of policies yet still Labour LibDems and Greens advocate for them.

When Labour admit that they were wrong on the evils of trans activism and promise to protect single-sex spaces and children’s safeguarding, I’ll be delighted to vote Labour again. Bloody hate the Tories but they have my vote as long as they’re the only party standing up for biological women and girls.

Man I miss Tony Blair.

Because I believe people should at least attempt to be self-sufficient. I also believe if you as an individual make life hard for yourself by engaging in foolish behavior then that is your problem and not mine. We do have a level of social security, however, I think enough is enough. The government is not designed to manage people's lives. Government is always arbitrary, so the buffer is in the main to be carried by the individual.
I work hard for my money, and so does DP, this country is a great place to live if individuals follow the success sequence, which is basically a blueprint for stability.

YANBU to ask!

IMO labour governments are crap at managing money. I love labour's ideas but question where the money to back their ideas is going to come from. The magic money tree? Higher taxes?

I also think the conservative government rewards hard working people.

Too many people took the piss with labour government and it allowed it. Sat at home on their arse taking handouts for no good reason.

I do not think the conservative government is perfect and more should be done to help those genuinely in need, that cannot work etc.

There are nearly 12 million people over the age 65 in this country, the vast majority of whom don't work for a living.

25% of them live in a household with a total wealth of over a million pounds.

The post above gives another of the reasons. People need to be exposed to the effects of their decisions, the good and the bad.

It is not a moral positive to insulate people from their choices. It is wrong to say that everyone, irrespective of effort or ability should earn the same, or have the same house and car.

If a person chooses not to work it is right that they should be cold and hungry. If another spends two decades gaining the skills and experiences to command a high wage it is wrong that they be punished for so doing with aggressively high taxes.

I do not want the world-class cardiac surgeon taxed at 50% to allow the 21 year-old single mother to be able to afford a night out on the town.

What point are you making there? Yes, after a lifetime of work many people have built up substantial assets, and stop working. That seems to be as it should be.

Some people seem to want the state to chip off a bit of them each year to give to someone else, but that’s not a plan that I could get on board with.

Maybe they Cant work because of the ageism that affects most workplaces ? Many companies like to make their older employees redundant too. Saves them money

How very dare they have worked for their wealth. I know it's a concept Labourites aren't easy with.

More of this, please.

OP, I'm not a Tory voter but I'd suggest a few possible reasons:

1. Wanting lower taxes
2. Wanting less govt involvement/smaller state
3. No credible alternative

To be fair, we haven’t worked for our wealth, we’ve got it by virtue of inheritance and the value of the house quadrupling since we bought it. The house has worked harder than we have!

@FarFromHome2 that’s a very simplistic and black and white thought processes. I think that is most of the problem with why people get annoyed with the right is that there is rarely any nuance within their views.

Shit happens in life, sometimes people do make bad choices , that doesn’t make them a bad person. Sometimes they don’t have the ability to do a professional job, and even if everybody COULD get a skilled job there are 2 major problems with this:

1. There would be no higher wage for those jobs because EVERYBODY could do them.
2. Who would do the menial jobs? The ones that are relied upon like bin men and factory workers and shop workers?

It’s a fact that if you start off in a poor background, the cards are stacked against you from the word go. Read the marmot review to understand how disadvantaged these people can be and how governments policies keep them disadvantaged.

Nobody ‘deserves’ to be cold and hungry as a human being. Nope. That’s awful. It’s more complex than that.