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AIBU?

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To think this info on register shouldn't be displayed to all pupils.

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Kerrrmieee · 07/09/2022 10:31

DD 13 asked me what the blue flag underneath her name stood for when her name and picture is displayed during the morning and afternoon registers.

My first reply was huh? In our day it was a tick with a pen on a paper sheet.

Has a quick Google and it turns out they are using Bromcom and register displays their photo and a symbol.

The blue flag happens to mean Pupil Premium child.
We had a laugh about it saying it means you are disadvantaged by being stuck with only me, and I'm poor! (Tongue in cheek)

Seriously though, there a flags for looked after children, children entitled to free school meals, bad behaviour, gifted talented, special needs.

AIBU to think this info shouldn't be privy to her classmates? I can't honestly say I'm over bothered but some people might be.

I've attached the image from Bromcom.

Waffle over!

To think this info on register shouldn't be displayed to all pupils.
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Kerrrmieee · 07/09/2022 21:25

BadNomad · 07/09/2022 21:23

Pupils can have multiple symbols, not just one. She would have a house/heart symbol too.

Jesus, been there RTFT no she doesn't. Just one flag. Goodnight.

I'll update others in morning

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Kerrrmieee · 07/09/2022 21:26

Fucking hell, I'm feeling U know 🤣

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twilightermummy · 07/09/2022 21:26

Tbh, when it gets to secondary, I’m not sure why so many different teachers need to know whether a pupil is PP or not. Is it an indication of potentially poor behaviour on the horizon? Learning difficulties? A suggestion of a turbulent home life or neglect so, if they arrive at school less than perfect one day, it can be simply explained away as “oh they’re PP. Maybe something bigger is going on?”

I am aware that PP pupils get more funding but unless they need extra for SEN then, I don’t get it? Even if one of the above negative connotations were affirmed then surely it ultimately gets dealt with by pastoral who’d communicate with the teacher anyway?

Perhaps I’m being ignorant but I can’t see this as anything other than negative and of course, teachers are human and do make judgements and stereotype. I don’t like this at all.

lilroo87 · 07/09/2022 21:29

I used to work for a company similar to bromcom so there should be a option for what is displayed to students on the portal, it looks like they've just not disabled a lot of the options.

Although if it was on the teachers system and your DD saw the screen, then actually it's probably so the teacher knows if any of the pupils are on the Pupil Premium register so probably an accidental breach rather than one on purpose on a parent or student portal

Novum · 07/09/2022 21:33

gatehouseoffleet · 07/09/2022 10:49

Not any more, the ICO has said that it won't (usually) fine public sector organisations anymore as it only hurts the taxpayer. Or words to that effect.

Really? Seems an extraordinarily bad idea to send out a signal effectively telling them they'll get away with data breaches.

Binglebong · 07/09/2022 21:34

twilightermummy · 07/09/2022 21:26

Tbh, when it gets to secondary, I’m not sure why so many different teachers need to know whether a pupil is PP or not. Is it an indication of potentially poor behaviour on the horizon? Learning difficulties? A suggestion of a turbulent home life or neglect so, if they arrive at school less than perfect one day, it can be simply explained away as “oh they’re PP. Maybe something bigger is going on?”

I am aware that PP pupils get more funding but unless they need extra for SEN then, I don’t get it? Even if one of the above negative connotations were affirmed then surely it ultimately gets dealt with by pastoral who’d communicate with the teacher anyway?

Perhaps I’m being ignorant but I can’t see this as anything other than negative and of course, teachers are human and do make judgements and stereotype. I don’t like this at all.

Reading the link it says it will be present on any register that pupil is on. Seems unnecessary and rather worrying.

TheNefariousOrange · 07/09/2022 21:34

twilightermummy · 07/09/2022 21:26

Tbh, when it gets to secondary, I’m not sure why so many different teachers need to know whether a pupil is PP or not. Is it an indication of potentially poor behaviour on the horizon? Learning difficulties? A suggestion of a turbulent home life or neglect so, if they arrive at school less than perfect one day, it can be simply explained away as “oh they’re PP. Maybe something bigger is going on?”

I am aware that PP pupils get more funding but unless they need extra for SEN then, I don’t get it? Even if one of the above negative connotations were affirmed then surely it ultimately gets dealt with by pastoral who’d communicate with the teacher anyway?

Perhaps I’m being ignorant but I can’t see this as anything other than negative and of course, teachers are human and do make judgements and stereotype. I don’t like this at all.

It's nothing to do with behaviour or neglect. Pp students statistically make less progress than non pp students so it helps identify the students who might need more support, help financing trips, revision materials etc.

twilightermummy · 07/09/2022 21:46

But surely it would become apparent who needed the extra help? It certainly wouldn’t just be PP students that needed extra help with revision. Financing trips could go through admin and a back office. I’m just not convinced that a blue flag by their names is the answer.

HipsterCoffeeShop · 07/09/2022 21:49

You can use the flags differently in every school.

We use the hearts for COVID vulnerable children for example.

Flags on the register are really important - e.g. if a looked after child doesn't turn up to school & their carer doesn't know where they are, that is a potentially a police matter.

Doesn't get away from the central point that the teacher should have stopped sharing their screen or put projector mode on.

Hopefully your email will be well received OP. It's good to remind teachers of their responsibilities, it is easy to slip into bad habits to save a few seconds here and there.

Scepticalwotsits · 07/09/2022 22:10

Based on what’s on those flags I would say it potentially breaches special category data not just for the child but also for the family as well. It’s actually a more serious breach than people realise

Goldenbear · 07/09/2022 22:51

I am a DP consultant in the Education sector and it was me who suggested the impact could potentially lead to the school being sued on a no win no fee basis. It could be a data breach but not necessarily, it would be investigated in the schools i work with.as an 'incident' at first- what constitutes a breach depends on different factors and these would have to be looked into before being labelled as one.

To the PP who said it was OTT, that is an opinion but schools like all organisations have to comply with data protection laws, respectfully, opinions on that law are not relevant in that process.

Kerrrmieee · 08/09/2022 17:35

No news from school and teenage DD was not in the mood for questions upon arriving home!

Peri mum, 13yr old DD - house on fire 🤣😭

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