Aibu to think the nurse crisis could be solved if they had an incentive for people to become nurses

[Starsinyoureyes13]

A student nurse doesn't get paid to study and train on the wards. 37.5 hours and due to lack of nurses they are working alongside nurses wouldn't it be better to pay the trainee nurses and give nurses a payrise rather than NHS squandering money on £60 pound an hour agency staff?

What did the auxiliaries do?

@CPParenttoDD1234

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He was unable to as it's a safety critical role he was in unfortunately (at that particular time). You can't just chop and change shifts because it then affects the rest of roster for the rest of the teams. It just isn't the done thing.

But then the NHS and the fact that you can't have fixed shifts each week shows how outdated and behind the times as an organisation it is ...you must be one of the very few who can get fixed shifts! Well done 👍

Before they were called HCAs the equivalent role, more or less, was auxiliary nurses. If, as you say, nurses have taken on some of the junior doctors' role and HCAs have taken on some of the nurses' role, then somebody still needs to be doing all the things that HCAs were doing before. I said "auxiliaries" to make it clearer I was talking about the role as it was in the past, before any of the changes you were talking about.

@Notplayingball

safety critical role he was in unfortunately (at that particular time). You can't just chop and change shifts because it then affects the rest of roster for the rest of the teams. It just isn't the done thing.

Ummmmmm.

Hypocritical much?

Meant to add, DH was a fixed roster in a fixed team. Everyone knew what days they were working, and their rest days. he did this for almost 20 years. It worked well. The NHS could learn a thing or two from other organisations. He used to get annoyed that I only got my offduty two weeks in advance, that was it. Couldn't plan anything. Complained it was a daft system and we should have set shifts each week. Oh if only!

Of course it is. The difference was he had set shifts which was set for years in advance. He knew in five years time that on a set date he would be on a rest day or a work day. It was all electronically mapped out. I didn't get that luxury which means I wasn't on an equal footing.

If shifts can't be honoured as requested by management in the NHS what hope do you have as an employee. They make it as stressful as possible. No job is worth that!

So you're annoyed the nhs didn't cater to your demands but think it's perfectly OK for your ohs to not even consider changing his?

And you dont see the issue with that?

Your request for set shifts will have affected someone else's rota too

Or does that only matter when it's a man?

I camt even figure out how you'd do a set rota when you need differing skill mix over different days and have multiple staff working multiple different hours all wanting different requests

@Alexandra2001 I can completely appreciate why you would help with lunch and dinner. This is not uncommon in NHS hospitals.

My point was more about family members from other countries proactively supporting many other aspects of care/daily living as if it's the norm in their culture/country.

DH worked in transport so it was a safety critical role he was in. They were able to have a fixed roster as they don't deal with patients.

So the NHS didn't "cater to my demands" as you put it. Or just were not being family friendly are how others would see it. Being a completely inflexible employer means that the NHS lose many staff every year. I am not an isolated case!

You seem to be fairly intent on missing the point.

Definitely not missing any point you make. DH was unable to change his contracted hours as he was on a fixed roster.

@Notplayingball

Yes.

And that is somehow acceptable.

Yet your employer also having an inflexible roster (or a shift pattern you didn't like) was totally unacceptable.

Whats the difference?

Why is it ok to accept one set of working conditions but not the other?

He cannot just suddenly change his hours, it doesn't work like that as he has a team he used to work with. Same set of folk each team. Would only cover another team for annual leave or absence due to paternity or sick leave etc. But otherwise stay in your own team. Not sure what is difficult to follow about this....

Yeah me either but you're still not getting it.

Never mind.

I was part time and he was full time at that point when we met. I see what you are trying to say but unfortunately it just wasn't going to be possible in his line of work. Partners either worked 9 til 5 or didn't work at all due to the type of shifts in this type of industry. It's just how it was.

As I was on less hours and doing most of the childcare it made sense to work round his schedule.

Have to say, having lived in France and Sweden & a brother who lived in Germany, family members doing personal care in Hospital isn't something i ve ever heard off as a norm, surely there is infection control to think of?

But of course, families across Europe inc the UK do personal care as home carers.

Or do you mean further afield/different ethnic minorities in Europe?

I think we will have to agree to disagree as we all have different life experiences and life circumstances to bring to the table.

@Notplayingball

Clearly not to your employer yet some how thats a personal insult in your case deliberately designed to drive you out but absolutely understandable and acceptable in his?

Sexism at its finest.

You can look at it from that angle, fair enough. I would also say though, that as the NHS is losing nurses continually they should be doing all that they can do help with the work life balance 🤷🏻

No two couples will have the same career/job set up. You can't compare your situation to everyone else on this thread 👍

@Hobele Yes it does :(

@Notplayingball

Nor can you.

And as I've repeatedly said it's not an issue as far as I'm aware

Why should the nhs be involved in prioritising the other jobs of male ohs rather than their own interests?!

They should be putting the needs of their own service first. Obviously.

The service is 24/7. Most rotas do balance work life balance fairly well. Thats an entirely different thing to pandering to making women solely responsible for childcare because the big important men can't possibly change anything

You don't know my full circumstances so just carry on.....as I said we can agree to disagree 😃

@Notplayingball

I'm not interested in your circumstances

Your argument that the nhs should support any and every rota request is as clearly unworkable as it is in other industries you think its ok for them not to.

The hypocrisy is the problem.

For every person getting the shifts they want someone else is left with the shite they don't.

I doubt most managers reject a set shift pattern request out of arseitness although I'm sure it happens.

Its just not always going to be possible but obviously being as accommodating as you can helps foster good relationships with staff