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To ask what you think the new PM will do about the energy crisis in the coming weeks

106 replies

EverydayIsPJday · 04/09/2022 09:01

Genuinely have no idea. Does anyone think the cap may be frozen/avoided for October? Or grants issued for those on benefits? I can't see a viable option ATM which doesn't miss large chunks of people out who are also struggling or just delaying (additional) national debt.

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LeatherBasket · 04/09/2022 10:49

Truss will be ineffective IMO.

There will be a snap election in the first half of next year and Labour will win.

Then:
Energy companies will be renationalised.
Efforts will be redirected to repair and restore the damage done to public services and infrastructure.

Imnotreadyforthis88 · 04/09/2022 10:55

I don't think more handouts is the answer. They should tax the energy producers more and use that to lower the price cap but I doubt that will happen.
I think the best idea I've heard is having tiered energy prices, so every household gets a certain amount of cheap energy a day. That's the fairest way of doing it.

balalake · 04/09/2022 10:56

Don't know what it will be, but feel it will not be enough for domestic energy costs, and definitely not enough for small businesses.

Horcruxe · 04/09/2022 10:59

LampLighter414 · 04/09/2022 09:20

Everyone gets a voucher for a £20 kettle?

Pan on a hob would be cheaper??

Although if you havent got a cooker then a kettle would be useful.

When we were younger and the boiler wasnt working.

Shed get a huge metal cooking pot onto the stove and heat it and mix with the bath water when we needed a wash.

When we needed to heat water we would just use a pan on the stove.

We got a microwave really late so to heat most things a pan on the stove would be sufficient.

It's only recently I started using a kettle, but I find a pan on the hob easiest.

stopitstopitnow · 04/09/2022 11:01

She'll tell us that "they" are doing all "they" can, we must accept that it's going to be tough, she understands people's worry....and then submit a big fat claim for heating expenses to her 1st ,2nd or however many homes she has.

BeyondMyWits · 04/09/2022 11:04

There will be bog-all of any substance.

What they should do, as a matter of urgency, is stop treating food banks and children's "charity" meal providers as businesses, and make them eligible for even the energy cap. Shameless.

Pricklesinperil · 04/09/2022 11:07

having watched Sunday, my confidence level has not improved.

Mumoblue · 04/09/2022 11:10

Fucking nothing. Some Tory will burp out an uninformed opinion about how if the poor don’t want to freeze or starve they should have thought twice before being born peasants, and then they’ll go back to stroking off their donors.

the80sweregreat · 04/09/2022 11:12

The Sunday round up today was awful
Conservatives saying it's going to be bad , but suck it up buttercups. Here is a shiny new government here who will make it worse , but not if your rich, you'll be alright
Arnt we the lucky ones ( not)

Kashmirsilver · 04/09/2022 11:13

The Centre for Policy Studies estimates that the cost of renationalization plans would be at least £176billion.
The problem for the government is, that if prices fall back to near normal levels in the coming 24 months, they've inflicted an extra £6500 just to implement the changes. So people will pay the £6500+energy costs.
Short-term help to cushion current inflationary pressures is cheaper.

People also have to understand that post-pandemic, inflation will fall back to pre-pandemic levels. Absolute prices for goods, commodities, and services. WILL NOT.

Endlesssummer2022 · 04/09/2022 11:17

I think she will do loads to increase short term popularity then call a General Election off the back of that.

Even if she doesn’t call a GE she will know that introducing measures that will increase debt in the long term will be of no consequence to her government as they will be voted out in 2024. Paying the money back will be her successors problem to deal with.

FruitPastilleNut · 04/09/2022 11:22

A token gesture that won't hugely help but will look good with the right headlines. Like giving £800 from October instead of £400.

Still a drop in the ocean of what's needed.

Nobetterthansheoughttobe · 04/09/2022 11:25

LeatherBasket · 04/09/2022 10:49

Truss will be ineffective IMO.

There will be a snap election in the first half of next year and Labour will win.

Then:
Energy companies will be renationalised.
Efforts will be redirected to repair and restore the damage done to public services and infrastructure.

labour is unelectable at mo. Sadly, Starmer could motivate an excitable puppy at the moment. They will reinstate Bojo and call an election. They will win

Kashmirsilver · 04/09/2022 11:28

FruitPastilleNut · 04/09/2022 11:22

A token gesture that won't hugely help but will look good with the right headlines. Like giving £800 from October instead of £400.

Still a drop in the ocean of what's needed.

I hope it will be more free dosh.
The lounge needs decorating.😂

the80sweregreat · 04/09/2022 11:38

Wouldn't surprise me to see Boris Johnson back or Trump back : nothing surprises me anymore at all :(

honkeytonkwoman38 · 04/09/2022 11:39

I don't know how people can keep putting up with this and still vote Tory. It's moronic!

ShowLess · 04/09/2022 11:40

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 04/09/2022 09:16

Reduce VAT across the board? Where would all the money come from to replace all that lost revenue?

That is such a stupid idea I can't believe anyone would suggest that

Reducing VAT doesn’t help the end customer anyway as businesses just absorb the saving for themselves.

Remember when VAT was cut for hospitality over the pandemic? Prices in pubs, restaurants and hotels didn’t go down, although that was the supposed aim.

ShowLess · 04/09/2022 11:42

EverydayIsPJday · 04/09/2022 10:31

I'm not sure anyone is saying people on lower incomes shouldn't get help but ONLY helping those on benefits is extremely short sighted IMO. Earning a few hundred quid over the threshold does not account for the thousands of pounds were ALL expected to pay.

Absolutely - 8/10 of all households will be in fuel poverty.

the80sweregreat · 04/09/2022 11:43

Tax cuts will not work.
I'm not an economist at all , I just listen and today people who know what they are talking about are worried, they can see it looming and they can't ( won't ) stop it happening.

VanishingViolet · 04/09/2022 11:44

Surely something (I don’t know what) could be done regarding the scandalous council tax bills, where you pay less living in THE most expensive areas of London! How can that be right!

Kashmirsilver · 04/09/2022 11:45

ShowLess · 04/09/2022 11:40

Reducing VAT doesn’t help the end customer anyway as businesses just absorb the saving for themselves.

Remember when VAT was cut for hospitality over the pandemic? Prices in pubs, restaurants and hotels didn’t go down, although that was the supposed aim.

PRICES WILL NEVER GO BACK TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.

BigWoollyJumpers · 04/09/2022 11:47

They will do what every other government is doing, and additionally to what has already been done. Why do people keep saying they have done nothing, when people are already getting extra money?? Anyway. Most other European governments are reducing VAT, so not a bad idea. Others have introduced free/reduced travel, which we are getting on buses I believe. More grants, additionally to what has already been announced.

The biggest relief would be de-coupling electricity pricing from gas, another thing which all governments are currently looking to do. This needs to be done asap.

littlemousebigcheese · 04/09/2022 12:04

Nothing is real, everything is made up bollocks. We invented money, we invented interest rates and vat and tax. We could have done literally anything and instead we created a punitive system for ourselves that cripples us all and benefits a tiny number.

We could write off bills, insist companies lower them, it needs to be at that level - not giving us money to pay bills that shouldn't be that high in the first place. Paying then legitimises the cost and paves the way for them to stay that high. Companies don't care where money comes from. It needs to be top down action like introducing a realistic cap

pantsofshame · 04/09/2022 12:05

Afterfire · 04/09/2022 09:19

They need to take the huge profits away from the energy companies and use this to freeze prices at their current rates. They won’t though.

Totally agree. We all seem to be expected to just accept that it's OK for energy companies to be making record profits whilst everyone except the most wealthy face real poverty and small businesses fold. The most the Tories seem willing to do is a small tax (which will make only a tiny difference to the energy companies, especially as they will undoubtedly find ways to reduce what they pay by clever tax planning) and a cut in VAT which will make little difference and reduce state income. When teachers, nurses, transport workers etc ask for a pay rise we are told that it would increase inflation and they are being greedy. But somehow record levels of dividends to shareholders is totally different.

Maisydaisy56 · 04/09/2022 12:09

RiftGibbon · 04/09/2022 09:12

Honestly? Fuck all.
They'll just find other ways to screw us over, trash the environment, hike the cost of whatever they can for profit and tell us we're all lazy.

Wish I wasn't saying this but I totally agree 🤬