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Is this a fair punishment for a DC?

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Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 20:14

Today I've been reflecting on something from my childhood. My mum has always held this up as an example of good parenting.

When I was young I had a special item of jewellery that my parents gifted to me, I adored it and wore it all the time.

When I was about 11 or 12 I was at a friend's house and when I got home I realised it was missing (I think I'd taken it off to get in her pool!). I was so upset and filled with an ice cold fear - my mum cannot find out about this. I can feel my chest tightening as I remember this panic!

In the age before mobiles I had to wait until school on Monday to pray the friend had found it. I couldn't risk using the home phone to call her in case mum heard.

Unfortunately it was gone, she hadn't and couldn't find it. I remember weeks of worry over this, my plan was to take all my upcoming birthday money and try and buy a replacement, I just had to keep it quiet until then.

Of course, one day my mum mentioned I wasn't wearing it. I said I just didn't fancy wearing it and mum insisted I went and got it and showed it to her (I'm guessing my poker face sucked!). All hell broke loose.

I actually cannot remember what was said at all. I know she was angry (not physically or screaming though). I remember crying my eyes out both in front of her and privately and apologising profusely.

The next morning all was calm and happy but I felt very on edge. Went to school, picked up, everything still happy. I'd gotten away with it!!

Then I walk into my bedroom and it's stripped bare. Everything is gone. Pictures, posters, clothes, teddies everything. My wardrobe has school uniforms and a pair of pj's in it. I just sat down in it in shock.

Later I go down for dinner, mums Eyebrows are in her hairline. I'm told I obviously cannot care for possessions and therefore I'll have to "earn" everything back.

Eventually most things were returned over the course of months though I always suspected some "junk" was thrown away. Obviously this was quite a distressing time as I was very attached to my possessions.

Funnily enough about a year later I pulled out the bag I'd taken with me and the item fell out. In my panic I can't have checked through it properly, it was stuck in a seam i think. I have never worn it since, I still own it though but can't really look at it. I also now live as a total minimalist, I own no jewellery, nic naks etc. I have absolutely no attachment to any possessions, valuing something makes me quite anxious actually - though my children have plenty of stuff!!

To my mum this is an example of her "no nonsense" parenting and how she could keep all of us in line. As I parent my own DCs and reflect on some of my childhood I'm starting to think this is not normal... what do you think?

YABU - this is a fair and standard punishment for what you did.

YANBU - this was not fair or normal. I would not do this to my DCs.

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prepared101 · 21/08/2022 20:56

OP, my parents were similar in their approach. It took me a long time to realise it wasn't normal behaviour.

I parent very differently.

My mum said the other day how she wished I'd been like my DD as we have a better relationship than she and I had. She still can't see that she was the problem not me, and that my relationship with DD is because I'm not like she was!

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 21/08/2022 20:56

My god. If that would have been me (though I’d never make that type of punishment) I would have been mortified and profusely apologetic. Yes be miffed that something important has been lost, but offer to help to find it and go through everything just in case and understand that the owner of the item is also going to be really upset they’ve lost it. For you to have then found it and receive no apology either is really awful. It’s clearly had such an impact on you and if she ever brought it up again she needs to be told straight.

amoobaa · 21/08/2022 20:57

I’m so sorry this happened to you. Awful parenting. I’m intrigued to know why anyone would vote that you’re being unreasonable.

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 20:57

LizzieSiddal · 21/08/2022 20:41

I feel so sorry for the little girl you were, what an awful thing for any parent to do.Flowers

How do you deal with her when she tells this awful story to illustrate what a “wonderful parent” she was?

Thank you so much, I've been doing a lot of work recently on processing my childhood (which on the surface was idyllic!) As my children get to the ages that I can remember events from and I think, "how could I do something like this to them??".

My mum thinks it's quite a funny story, and that I am far too soft on my DCs. She tells me that I'm going to be in for it when they're older as I haven't laid firm boundaries like she did. And truthfully we were wonderful teenagers and are now a bunch of successful (though slightly neurotic) adults, but I find discipline very difficult with my DCs as I always worry I'm too "soft".

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HippyDippieTrees · 21/08/2022 20:58

My dm shouted at me for losing things OP, sometimes she would go on and on at me until I would feint.

After many years of counselling I have gone through the cycles until I reached acceptance of who she was and what she did and what her good parts are. There's a lot of hurt, anger and grief before that acceptance can truly happen.

You can access free counselling for childhood abuse through the NSPCC.

Lashes32 · 21/08/2022 21:00

Same thing happened to me! I went out, apparently hadn’t tidied my room and came back to a completely stripped room with bed, bedside table, desk all piled up in a corner.

YANBU - there’s is absolutely no call for this type of behaviour and it’s certainly not good parenting.

Chickadeeandchic · 21/08/2022 21:05

That's awful OP, I'm sorry you had that upbringing. I found Phillipa Perry - The book you wish your parents had read, really useful and cathartic in terms of coming to terms with my childhood and not going too far the other way with my DC.

Giraffapuses · 21/08/2022 21:05

Hi this was extremely abusive and I would suggest seeking some therapy to process what happened. I don't normally post on these kinds of threads. But, I remember living with that same cold fear.

I did several years of therapy to help move forward.

CherieBabySpliffUp · 21/08/2022 21:06

Oh wow, her reaction was appalling! If you were my daughter it wouldn't have crossed my mind to further "punish" you by taking your other possessions away. I'd have been sorry for you losing such a treasured item. How did your father react to her doing this?

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 21:07

HippyDippieTrees · 21/08/2022 20:58

My dm shouted at me for losing things OP, sometimes she would go on and on at me until I would feint.

After many years of counselling I have gone through the cycles until I reached acceptance of who she was and what she did and what her good parts are. There's a lot of hurt, anger and grief before that acceptance can truly happen.

You can access free counselling for childhood abuse through the NSPCC.

I'm so sorry to hear that 💐

It's quite strange and really rather liberating to hear so many people's strong opinions on this. When you are a child you assume this is normal and I'm only now starting to believe that this (and other events) are not normal.

Mainly ill share some "funny" story over dinner and my DH will be looking at me like I've just grown another head.

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Fenella123 · 21/08/2022 21:07

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

I don't doubt you OP - but people (ok some people) just had NO CLUE back then.
"How else will she learn?"
Well maybe take the attitude that she's upset about losing it anyway and let that be the natural consequence? And talk through a few ways of keeping track of her stuff?

People are imperfect, flawed, scarred creatures. Our parents, too. Certainly mine did a few things where I looked back in adulthood and was like, "WHAT were they THINKING FFS"! But, also, I looked back on their childhoods - the mistakes their own parents made, the traumas they'd endured - and realized that, to an extent - they'd just been young and dumb.

I'm not saying this to excuse her. I just found, myself, that as I got to the age when I was old enough to be a grandparent, when people the age my parents were when they fucked up now seemed completely inexperienced and clueless - I could at least understand and accept. This didn't make them different people at all! But I could cope better with what they said and did.

fufflecake · 21/08/2022 21:08

This is so sad. You deserved better

Fenella123 · 21/08/2022 21:09

PS have you done the thing where you start on a "funny" story and then stop and go "OMG!" to yourself?

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 21:10

CherieBabySpliffUp · 21/08/2022 21:06

Oh wow, her reaction was appalling! If you were my daughter it wouldn't have crossed my mind to further "punish" you by taking your other possessions away. I'd have been sorry for you losing such a treasured item. How did your father react to her doing this?

To be honest I cannot remember, but I know what he's like now and how he was when I was a teenager.

Wouldn't dare cross my mum, backs her decisions as its very important for "kids" to have a united front in his opinion. Happy wife Happy life, you know?

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Echobelly · 21/08/2022 21:12

I'm interested in the fact that you were 'ice-cold terrified' of your parents finding out; this suggests you expected serious retribution. What an awful thing for them to do. I'd have thought the first thing to do is to see if you can help your child find a thing so you can rule out it being lost.

hattie43 · 21/08/2022 21:13

Horrible .

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 21:16

@Fenella123 yes mum is very proud that she managed to raise us "without ever laying a finger on you" as a gold standard of parenting. Emotions? Irrelevant.

And yes I definitely will start to recall some anecdote and then halfway through the scales fall off my eyes and I go wait. What. That's not an OK thing to say to a 5 year old.

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Sprogonthetyne · 21/08/2022 21:17

No, that's not OK. In my house the punishment for loosing a treasured item is that the item is lost, nothing else is needed. If it was especially important or sentimental then your parents shouldn't have given in to a child/ allowed it to be worn, that's on them.

LizzieSiddal · 21/08/2022 21:17

Mainly ill share some "funny" story over dinner and my DH will be looking at me like I've just grown another head.

This is very common as for you the behaviour was “normal”. I had a very similar reaction to my Dh’s childhood stories, I was shocked and upset by them and it explained the way he behaved in certain situations. He went to counselling and it has and continues to be very helpful to him.

CactusBlossom · 21/08/2022 21:19

Christ, that was cruel! She could have said "so sorry you've lost it, let's get you another!", but no, she had to put the screws on. The "walking on eggshells" feeling is typical of people who have to deal with narcissists. Give her back the item of jewellery, it's brought you no joy. That was not good parenting. It was spiteful.

blackpearwhitelilies · 21/08/2022 21:20

That was vile behaviour from your Mum. I’m sorry and empathise deeply. My mum was also terrifying. She would hide my money and then ask me if I had it, to see if I would lie to her. She also used to smash my stuff up if she was in a rage. But she never did anything as long-term spiteful as that. I hope your mother reads this thread.

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 21:23

Echobelly · 21/08/2022 21:12

I'm interested in the fact that you were 'ice-cold terrified' of your parents finding out; this suggests you expected serious retribution. What an awful thing for them to do. I'd have thought the first thing to do is to see if you can help your child find a thing so you can rule out it being lost.

I can remember that ice sliding down my stomach feeling so clearly, and at other times when I thought "oh I've fucked up", like realising I'd misread the time so was late for her collecting me from somewhere and running the whole way with a lead brick in my stomach to where we'd agreed to meet.

They were never physical, not even smacking which was pretty progressive in the 80s I think! But knowing the absolute tirade of a telling off you were about to receive was enough to put the fear of God into me!

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Sydney0101 · 21/08/2022 21:24

Kind of gave me the chills reading your post OP. This sounds very abusive actually and not normal & overly harsh & this has obviously impacted you a lot for you to still carry this onto adult hood.

qpmz · 21/08/2022 21:24

You didn't even do anything wrong or bad. It wasn't deliberately lost so you didn't deserve any punishment!

Justfiguringitout · 21/08/2022 21:27

blackpearwhitelilies · 21/08/2022 21:20

That was vile behaviour from your Mum. I’m sorry and empathise deeply. My mum was also terrifying. She would hide my money and then ask me if I had it, to see if I would lie to her. She also used to smash my stuff up if she was in a rage. But she never did anything as long-term spiteful as that. I hope your mother reads this thread.

Isn't it strange, my first thought at your comment was "oh see they never smashed up your stuff so it cant have been THAT bad".

I'm so sorry you had to experience that 💐

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