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To think this is not okay?

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Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 11:44

I’m internally fuming about this situation but I wanted to get other opinions.

DS (10) stays with his dad two week nights plus every other weekend. He pays £250 maintenance per month which covers his half of our child-minder fees, half of DS phone bill and half of his Spotify account. I buy all his clothes, school uniform, cover pocket money, haircuts etc - he doesn’t contribute a penny more. He earns more than double what I do and has a partner, I am single.

Up until mid way through last year, if DS needed to go to breakfast club or have a school lunch whichever parent had him that day would just give him the money for that (£2 per time). The school then changed to an online payment system and despite me sending his dad the details on numerous occasions, he would never top the account up and would then use up the credit I had put on for my days. If I brought this up he would send me a small amount via bank transfer. I made it clear that I didn’t want him to do this, I wanted him to top the account up weekly/monthly depending on his needs. He said this was no problem and he would do this when school went back after the summer.

Our school’s went back earlier this week and DS’s dad has told him that he can’t afford to send him to breakfast club or for school lunches. I’m not happy that he actually told a 10 year old that and didn’t mention it to me but the main issue is that despite DS not going to breakfast club he is still dropping him off at the same time, expecting him to hang around in the playground for an hour in whatever weather and alone for most of it until other children appear! I’ve tried to contact him to discuss this and discuss options but he is just ignoring me. I just really don’t feel like this is okay and it frustrates me so much. If he had spoken to me about it I would have offered to cover breakfast club costs. If I’m being completely honest that still would’ve annoyed me as they have much more money than I do and he should be capable of feeding his child on his days but I would’ve sucked it up for DS’s sake. I have never at any point said that he can’t see DS but I’m really reluctant to allow him to go on his weeknights next week incase the same thing happens again. I honestly feel like leaving a 10 year old standing about alone in the rain, and soon to be cold, because you can’t/won’t pay £2 (and can’t communicate like an adult!) is verging on cruelty and neglect.

AIBU to feel like this? I feel like the bar is set so fucking low for men/dads yet they still manage to trip over it. The other option I have to keep the peace is to pay money on DS’s account for his dad’s days and tell DS that there is always money on there so he doesn’t need to sit in the playground and can go into breakfast club. I will probably end up doing this for DS’s sake. Sorry for the long ranting post!

OP posts:
tenterden · 21/08/2022 11:51

I don't understand this to be honest. Is the £250 the correct amount of maintenance relative to XH income?

If so, you should be topping up DS card for his school lunches/breakfasts etc.
I am pretty shocked you are just leaving him to hang about for an hour before school in order to score some kind of point with your ex.

If he isn't paying you enough/correct maintenance then address that, rather than making DS suffer.

girlmom21 · 21/08/2022 12:01

Call your ex and sort out breakfast club and lunches for your DS' sake.

Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 12:02

No, it’s not the correct amount of maintenance as we don’t go through CMS. When we split 8 years ago I let him decide the amount he wanted to pay. CMS calculator is considerably higher but I have never wanted to go down that route.

I’m not sure why you think I’ve left DS to hang about for an hour when my whole post is to to say I’m disgusted that he’s done that to DS. DS came home from his school on Friday and told me that’s what happened, I had no clue. And like I’ve clearly said, I will just need to cover the days because he’s clearly not going to but I 100% believe that he should be feeding his child on his days and if he isn’t able to do that he should actually speak to me about it. If DS hadn’t mentioned this I would never have known!

OP posts:
Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 12:03

girlmom21 · 21/08/2022 12:01

Call your ex and sort out breakfast club and lunches for your DS' sake.

As I have said, I already have tried to contact him. I’ve called him and text him twice two days apart. No response.

OP posts:
RoomOfRequirement · 21/08/2022 12:04

tenterden · 21/08/2022 11:51

I don't understand this to be honest. Is the £250 the correct amount of maintenance relative to XH income?

If so, you should be topping up DS card for his school lunches/breakfasts etc.
I am pretty shocked you are just leaving him to hang about for an hour before school in order to score some kind of point with your ex.

If he isn't paying you enough/correct maintenance then address that, rather than making DS suffer.

Um, no. The maintenance is based on how many days/nights this 'father' has the child, and is reduced as he is expected to feed him on those days - that includes breakfast and lunch at school if needed! In what world is the parent already doing most of the parenting also expected to provide food when her child isn't with her?

And SHE is not leaving him in the playground, his awful father is.

I swear Some of you will do anything to kiss the arse of deadbeat dad's if they just say hello to their child. The misogyny is horrific.

ClocksGoingBackwards · 21/08/2022 12:05

I’d talk to the school and see if they will tell
him that what he’s doing is unacceptable.

Grumpypants78 · 21/08/2022 12:05

Well you have your answer, if he's paying below CMS level on a private arrangement he's not sticking to then put the claim in for CMS. I don't really understand why you wouldn't want to go down that route, it's not for you it's money your DC is entitled to x

Royalbloo · 21/08/2022 12:06

Ignore this OP, what a ridiculous comment!

I am pretty shocked you are just leaving him to hang about for an hour before school in order to score some kind of point with your ex.

RoomOfRequirement · 21/08/2022 12:06

Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 12:03

As I have said, I already have tried to contact him. I’ve called him and text him twice two days apart. No response.

OP, I'm sorry people today apparently have no reading comprehension skills. You sound like you're doing a great job.

ItsSnowJokes · 21/08/2022 12:06

Go to the CMS and make this deadbeat pay the legal minimum at least. You won't ever get more money out of him by asking as he doesn't see it as a priority to him.

Royalbloo · 21/08/2022 12:06

I'd book it, pay for it and tell him what he owes you. Then he either pays or he doesn't but DS isn't stood outside.

SarahProblem · 21/08/2022 12:07

Put in the CMS claim. That's what it's there for. You're disadvantaging your DC by not doing so.

tenterden · 21/08/2022 12:07

When we split 8 years ago I let him decide the amount he wanted to pay. CMS calculator is considerably higher but I have never wanted to go down that route.

There's your answer then. He's a CF who is already getting off light - time for him to pay up.

Marvellousmadness · 21/08/2022 12:09

The fact that your ex has a new partner and you are single has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Leave her out of it.

TokyoSushi · 21/08/2022 12:11

Ah OP, I agree that it's not fair on DS to make him hang around for the sake of £2 and I would also probably pay it.

I might be tempted to go to CMS to get the payments increased though.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 21/08/2022 12:12

The obvious solution is to go down the CMS route and get your ex to pay the correct, higher amount so that you can ensure that there is enough money in his account for breakfast club. The money is for your DS and if he’s missing out because ex won’t pay for things then I think you have a responsibility to chase this down the proper, legal channels.

neverbeenskiing · 21/08/2022 12:16

Marvellousmadness · 21/08/2022 12:09

The fact that your ex has a new partner and you are single has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Leave her out of it.

I presumed OP was mentioning the partner with regard to finances, in addition to out-earning her he also has another adult in the house bringing in money whereas OP doesn't.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 21/08/2022 12:17

Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 12:02

No, it’s not the correct amount of maintenance as we don’t go through CMS. When we split 8 years ago I let him decide the amount he wanted to pay. CMS calculator is considerably higher but I have never wanted to go down that route.

I’m not sure why you think I’ve left DS to hang about for an hour when my whole post is to to say I’m disgusted that he’s done that to DS. DS came home from his school on Friday and told me that’s what happened, I had no clue. And like I’ve clearly said, I will just need to cover the days because he’s clearly not going to but I 100% believe that he should be feeding his child on his days and if he isn’t able to do that he should actually speak to me about it. If DS hadn’t mentioned this I would never have known!

I'd go to CMS, get the correct amount of maintenance then use some to pay for breakfast club and lunches. If he's on twice your income and you can cover these things but he won't then he's not prioritising DS in the way he should so you need to and he should be made to pay his share of that. Your DS deserves to be financially supported properly by both his parents.

oobeedoobee · 21/08/2022 12:18

OP your EX has had everything his own way up until now, hasn't he ?

HE decided what he was willing to pay (and is still bloody doing it ffs !!)
HE decided when it suits him to drop DS at school ( regardless of not being able to go into breakfast club !)
HE decided what days and for how long he sees DS.
HE decides whether or not he's willing to feed DS.

FFS, get your arse in gear and start getting your DS what HE deserves and NEEDS !

CMS application in ASAP.
You pay for school lunches and breakfast club, then DEMAND Ex bloody well repays you !
You TELL Ex that from now on, because he's refusing to provide the care and food your child needs, things WILL be changing i.e CMS and him repaying YOU for providing food for your child on HIS days. (And if he isn't 'happy' about it ? Tough shit ! He can take it, or stop getting to see his son on weekdays totally, because abandoning his DS in an empty playground for over an hour simply because it suits him, and not ensuring he has lunch money so he can eat, is NEGLECT !)

YOU need to stop 'pussyfooting' around and put your son 1st.

hedgehogFC · 21/08/2022 12:19

Put in a CMS claim, now.

RedHelenB · 21/08/2022 12:21

I don't think school will be happy him hanging round the playground a hole hour before the start of school. My ds in his last year at Primary was sneaking out early to school and the head told him it was too early to be in the playground

Yabado · 21/08/2022 12:22

If your ex is self employed don’t bother with the CSA as you will most likely end up with less or nothing
they are crap with SE

BlancmanegeBunny · 21/08/2022 12:22

Why are you accepting less child maintenance than you are entitled to? Surely that is the issue you need to sort out.

rocksonrocks · 21/08/2022 12:22

CMS calculator is considerably higher but I have never wanted to go down that route.

Stuff like this pisses me off. Why are you letting your ex get away with not financially supporting your son? It's only coming at the expense of your child ffs.

ThanksAntsThants · 21/08/2022 12:25

Go through the CNS, it’s not acceptable for him to contribute less than he should, and let’s face it, CMS is the bare minimum anyway. He should be paying for food and supporting his child’s needs on his contact days, so no, the OP shouldn’t be covering these costs out of CM. CM is to cover the disparity when the RP has the child for more of the time, not so the NRP can do piss all on their contact days.

OP, you’ve been letting him get away with doing and contributing less than he should. Stop this. He helped create the child, he should be contributing fairly to his Child’s financial upkeep.

as for dumping him outside school to stand around for ages, this is actually a safeguarding issue. I would honestly be saying to him, in writing, that unless he makes sure the child is safe and supervised at all times, as he should be, either by being dropped off later or being in breakfast club, you won’t be allowing him to stay overnight. I would also be telling the school what’s going on as well.

OP I understand why you’ve been letting him get away with paying less than he should, you want to keep things smooth and keep the peace, but it isn’t is it, he’s still taking the piss. You shouldn’t have to bribe the father of your child with paying less and letting things slide so he keeps up a good relationship with his child, he should do that anyway. He’s a big grown-up man, a grown-up man incapable of impregnating a woman and creating a child, make sure he does and pays what he should.