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AIBU?

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To think this is not okay?

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Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 11:44

I’m internally fuming about this situation but I wanted to get other opinions.

DS (10) stays with his dad two week nights plus every other weekend. He pays £250 maintenance per month which covers his half of our child-minder fees, half of DS phone bill and half of his Spotify account. I buy all his clothes, school uniform, cover pocket money, haircuts etc - he doesn’t contribute a penny more. He earns more than double what I do and has a partner, I am single.

Up until mid way through last year, if DS needed to go to breakfast club or have a school lunch whichever parent had him that day would just give him the money for that (£2 per time). The school then changed to an online payment system and despite me sending his dad the details on numerous occasions, he would never top the account up and would then use up the credit I had put on for my days. If I brought this up he would send me a small amount via bank transfer. I made it clear that I didn’t want him to do this, I wanted him to top the account up weekly/monthly depending on his needs. He said this was no problem and he would do this when school went back after the summer.

Our school’s went back earlier this week and DS’s dad has told him that he can’t afford to send him to breakfast club or for school lunches. I’m not happy that he actually told a 10 year old that and didn’t mention it to me but the main issue is that despite DS not going to breakfast club he is still dropping him off at the same time, expecting him to hang around in the playground for an hour in whatever weather and alone for most of it until other children appear! I’ve tried to contact him to discuss this and discuss options but he is just ignoring me. I just really don’t feel like this is okay and it frustrates me so much. If he had spoken to me about it I would have offered to cover breakfast club costs. If I’m being completely honest that still would’ve annoyed me as they have much more money than I do and he should be capable of feeding his child on his days but I would’ve sucked it up for DS’s sake. I have never at any point said that he can’t see DS but I’m really reluctant to allow him to go on his weeknights next week incase the same thing happens again. I honestly feel like leaving a 10 year old standing about alone in the rain, and soon to be cold, because you can’t/won’t pay £2 (and can’t communicate like an adult!) is verging on cruelty and neglect.

AIBU to feel like this? I feel like the bar is set so fucking low for men/dads yet they still manage to trip over it. The other option I have to keep the peace is to pay money on DS’s account for his dad’s days and tell DS that there is always money on there so he doesn’t need to sit in the playground and can go into breakfast club. I will probably end up doing this for DS’s sake. Sorry for the long ranting post!

OP posts:
TrashPandas · 21/08/2022 13:41

He missed his maintenance payment earlier this year (after a week abroad) and I have been considering going to CMS since then but I’m worried he will try and make my life hell if I’m being honest.

He's already being a cunt though, not only to you but your innocent child. Right now he's a cunt who pays £250 a month - he can be a cunt who pays £500.

Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 13:44

vivainsomnia · 21/08/2022 13:34

I'm confused. It sounds like a 60/40 arrangement do on that basis, £250 seems quite fair. I assume you're getting CB and even maybe tax credits. If that's the case, I don't see why he should be paying anything more.

At no point have I said that he should pay more than £250. CMS would make him pay more due to his income but I have never gone down that route.

My issue is that he dropped DS off at school at 8am, told him that he can’t afford to send him to breakfast club any longer and that he has to wait in the playground alone for an hour. At no point did he contact me to say that he could no longer pay for breakfast club or that he no longer wanted to, I had to find this out from DS who should never have been put in that position. On his days it’s his responsibility to feed his child and have appropriate childcare for him.

OP posts:
TrashPandas · 21/08/2022 13:46

He SHOULD pay more though - ignore that poster. CMS is the absolute minimum anyone should be paying, and it's not nearly enough.

millymollymoomoo · 21/08/2022 13:49

As others have said

put in cms claim

tell your ex test if he leaves him out there again with no money he won’t be staying overnight

sounds like an arse

ChestyLaRue21 · 21/08/2022 13:52

OP - You need to grow a pair and go through CMS. He’s not providing what he should for your child and the longer that you allow it to continue, the worse he will get.

CoffeeWithNiles · 21/08/2022 13:53

vivainsomnia · 21/08/2022 13:34

I'm confused. It sounds like a 60/40 arrangement do on that basis, £250 seems quite fair. I assume you're getting CB and even maybe tax credits. If that's the case, I don't see why he should be paying anything more.

The amount he should pay is based on the amount he earns. Without knowing how much he earns it’s impossible to say that he should not be paying more.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 21/08/2022 14:01

Is he self employed or salaried in a reasonable company? If salaried in a reasonable company and he isnt going to change (eg isnt likely to quit his job to spite you) then just go through CMS.

I would contact the school about him leaving the child outside, if its primary school they will have a policy against this, they will not want to be responsible for kids hanging around in the playground. They can contact him and tell him it's not acceptable

KosherDill · 21/08/2022 14:03

ItsSnowJokes · 21/08/2022 12:06

Go to the CMS and make this deadbeat pay the legal minimum at least. You won't ever get more money out of him by asking as he doesn't see it as a priority to him.

Exactly.

You really had no right to forego money your child is entitled to. Why didn't you "want to go down that route"??

comfortablyfrumpy · 21/08/2022 14:04

CMS - put in a claim today.

picklemewalnuts · 21/08/2022 14:28

CMS and school.

Tell school he's being financially abusive to your son and to you. Ask them if they can chase Dad for breakfast club fees on his days, or insist he drops off at the correct time.

And go through CMS as he really isn't being amenable at the moment.

Aubree17 · 21/08/2022 14:31

Is the breakfast club not childcare fees that the child maintenance is meant to cover? You said it was based on 50% of childcare costs?

I would be really angry that he had changed your childcare arrangements without discussion with you. Leaving DC in the playground for an hour before school isn't on.

I think you need to book and pay the club. If that leaves you short go via the cms and explain to him why. DC priorities and well-being needs to come first.

Justleaveitblankthen · 21/08/2022 14:41

This sort of dirty, underhand behaviour on your part makes me livid on your behalf OP.
I wonder what his 'lovely partner' would think of him if she knew? Because I'm guessing she has no idea she is living with a selfish, deadbeat Dad.
Get in the CMS claim immediately and keep a written record of anything 'nasty' he will threaten in return.
What a wanker 😡

Justleaveitblankthen · 21/08/2022 14:41

Sorry, HIS part of course OP

catandcoffee · 21/08/2022 15:01

People need to stop being obsessive over the CMS.... the point of this post is.
Dickhead Dad left his child in a playground all for the sake of £2.

Merryoldgoat · 21/08/2022 15:04

Surely it’s time to contact The CMS and get a proper contribution?

Creepymanonagoatfarm · 21/08/2022 15:52

Ex thinks he has power here..
Cms do actually have power.. Take advantage of that op.

You can't change a cunt but at least Cms can get money off one.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 21/08/2022 17:17

You are disadvantaging your child financially because you are frightened of your bullying ex. You have a moral obligation to claim the full amount of child maintenance owed to your son - it is the minimum he should be paying. And the two week days need to end as he is behaving irresponsibly, I am surprised the school even allows children to hang around on their own with no supervising adult.

MissMaple82 · 21/08/2022 17:19

Wolfie11 · 21/08/2022 12:02

No, it’s not the correct amount of maintenance as we don’t go through CMS. When we split 8 years ago I let him decide the amount he wanted to pay. CMS calculator is considerably higher but I have never wanted to go down that route.

I’m not sure why you think I’ve left DS to hang about for an hour when my whole post is to to say I’m disgusted that he’s done that to DS. DS came home from his school on Friday and told me that’s what happened, I had no clue. And like I’ve clearly said, I will just need to cover the days because he’s clearly not going to but I 100% believe that he should be feeding his child on his days and if he isn’t able to do that he should actually speak to me about it. If DS hadn’t mentioned this I would never have known!

Well just go down CMS route. Problem solved. You're making it harder than it needs be.

MissMaple82 · 21/08/2022 17:22

Marvellousmadness · 21/08/2022 12:09

The fact that your ex has a new partner and you are single has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Leave her out of it.

It does though because there are two incomes going into one household compared to one income!..its not difficult to understand

bakehimawaytoys · 21/08/2022 17:24

What an absolute arsehole. Who would do this to his own child? I'd pursue him for the full CMS support and see how he likes it.

lickenchugget · 21/08/2022 17:25

MissMaple82 · 21/08/2022 17:22

It does though because there are two incomes going into one household compared to one income!..its not difficult to understand

But it’s not relevant with regard to how much money he pays for his DC. She could be a millionairess and it wouldn’t make any difference. Her income is not (and should not be) assessed. He shouldn’t pay more because he has a partner bringing in a second income. He should pay what he needs to pay.

Go through the CMS, no idea why you wouldn’t have

Sunnyqueen · 21/08/2022 17:29

I would stop the weekday contact and go to CMS. He's had enough chances.

Smilingwithfangs · 21/08/2022 17:54

Those suggesting the OP is somehow an idiot for not having gone to CMS or that it’s simple and she should just get on with it might have missed that payments can go down as well as up and that is he is self employed and an Arsehole enough to cook the books against his own son then he can claim he earns very little and end up paying much less. If he’s claiming to be so skint he can’t give his own son £2 I wonder if there is something afoot with his income and this is a real risk. Not saying he shouldn’t have given the cash but just that straight to CMS can be risky also (sadly).

CuntyMcBollocks · 21/08/2022 18:08

tenterden · 21/08/2022 11:51

I don't understand this to be honest. Is the £250 the correct amount of maintenance relative to XH income?

If so, you should be topping up DS card for his school lunches/breakfasts etc.
I am pretty shocked you are just leaving him to hang about for an hour before school in order to score some kind of point with your ex.

If he isn't paying you enough/correct maintenance then address that, rather than making DS suffer.

Try actually reading the OP. It's the selfish dad who left his son for a hour because he couldn't be arsed to pay £2. Don't comment and have a go at the OP when you haven't got your facts straight.

Anomonda · 21/08/2022 18:18

I think what people aren't recognising here is that some women who have been left as single mothers (which seems to include the OP) are intimidated by their exPs, no matter how much time has passed. They fear the cross words, bitchiness, arguments, petty retribution or worse which comes from not just going along with what the exP wants. It’s very easy to say ‘grow some’ when you’re relatively confident, and you’d expect if you say it enough times it might give that person a push in the right direction, but all it will do is make them feel even more pathetic than they feel already. If you’re going to give advice please do so with some compassion.
OP — if your ex is employed please seriously consider the CMS, I waited a long time to make a claim because I didn’t want to rock the boat but it’s about paying towards your DC’s upbringing appropriately. If there’s any negative response you could just counter it with how many years he hasn’t had to pay that much when he should have been, you don’t have a problem with that so he shouldn’t have a problem with paying the fair amount going forward. if he is self employed, consider whether he would be able to reduce his income to very little in order to pay less and whether that would make you worse off. If self employed it’s likely for tax purposes that he’s reducing his income as much as he can anyway. I wish you luck.