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Big house = classless

91 replies

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 11:16

I don't know if we've just been unlucky, but I've found in the last few places I've lived (mix of streets and relatively new estates) it's always the people in the bigger, more expensive homes who seem to have f*ck all class and show no consideration for neighbours?

Case in point - on one side I have a row of affordable housing - smaller terrace houses with gardens. On the other larger plots - 3x the price. Both inhabited by families. All the racket comes from these bigger houses. Dogs left barking all day. Loud music. Screaming kids. The constant crack-crack-crack of a fly zapper on the new pergola. Obnoxious new Porsche being revved next door.

AIBU to think money doesn't buy you class and often indicates extreme levels of entitlement?

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 17:41

Seymour5 · 21/08/2022 17:40

I worked in social housing. I’ve lived in all sorts of housing, but have never known the same number of neighbour issues occur elsewhere. There are no workers dealing exclusively with anti social behaviour in private areas (although some might need them) but I had several council colleagues who did little else.

Excess noise, vandalism, aggression, litter, threats, violence. Old cars and fridges as garden ornaments, foul language. And scary dogs. Housing policies based almost solely on need as the numbers of properties reduced has resulted in some estates becoming concentrations of all the above.

I'm sorry if I've hit a nerve BTW

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caringcarer · 21/08/2022 17:45

Size of house and behaviour are not related as well you know. You can get rude people in any size of house.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 17:48

Seymour5 · 21/08/2022 17:40

I worked in social housing. I’ve lived in all sorts of housing, but have never known the same number of neighbour issues occur elsewhere. There are no workers dealing exclusively with anti social behaviour in private areas (although some might need them) but I had several council colleagues who did little else.

Excess noise, vandalism, aggression, litter, threats, violence. Old cars and fridges as garden ornaments, foul language. And scary dogs. Housing policies based almost solely on need as the numbers of properties reduced has resulted in some estates becoming concentrations of all the above.

Well we're in an affluent market town with some pockets of deprivation but nothing like some parts of the UK. The mix of affordable:market housing is probably lower than the places you're referring to, and the social rented mix of that affordable housing part is also relatively low. We have maybe one loud family in the housing association terraces who are regularly noisy but I know one of their kids has SEN as they go to school with my eldest. It's often her I can hear and that doesn't count as arsey behaviour.

On the other side one has three children who come home from school and scream and shout in the communal garden area in the middle of the estate, have been pulled up by other neighbours for
Pulling up planting, leaving rubbish, etc etc. Just crappy behavious

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Sparklypant · 21/08/2022 17:51

Op , read your posts again, nearly every single post you keep going on about. “People with money” . It’s hugely clear you’ve let your envy get the better of you and started this ill advised thread.

honestly, give it up, there is no hiding it. It’s better to focus on improving your own lot, this seething envy of your neighbours is only hurting you.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 18:00

Sparklypant · 21/08/2022 17:51

Op , read your posts again, nearly every single post you keep going on about. “People with money” . It’s hugely clear you’ve let your envy get the better of you and started this ill advised thread.

honestly, give it up, there is no hiding it. It’s better to focus on improving your own lot, this seething envy of your neighbours is only hurting you.

Don't know if you're aware but you're not obliged to open, read or respond to threads you don't like. If you've got anything intelligent to contribute then go for it, even if it's to tell me why you think I'm wrong. I can take it. Telling me I'm obsessed, lying, jealous, etc. is really worse than hiding the thread and reading something else

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Sparklypant · 21/08/2022 18:04

Worse for who,,cmon, just own it.

Seymour5 · 21/08/2022 18:10

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 17:41

I'm sorry if I've hit a nerve BTW

Just saying how seriously bad it can be in some neighbourhoods. My son and his family live in a large house, but they could afford to choose one thats fairly rural, not too close to others, and its wonderfully peaceful. Most of us have to accept we’ll have neighbours who’ll annoy us, hopefully only occasionally.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 18:10

Cheeselog · 21/08/2022 17:34

I live in a terrace and many of my neighbours are antisocial/inconsiderate. Right now I can hear a neighbour 3 doors down getting her dog whipped up into a yapping frenzy again. I hate that sodding dog.

Check - woman two doors over with 5 dogs. Kept in kennels outside. Fed at 8.30 every night so barking none stop for 30 mins. They wake everyone barking at 6.30 when they get fed. She occasionally goes outside and yells at them in a sort of loud, growling, threatening voice. Poor bloody dogs

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 18:13

PuzzledObserver · 21/08/2022 17:24

I guarantee that if you look hard enough you will find threads on mumsnet which either imply or baldly state that certain types of people (benefit claimants, single mums, social housing, large families….) are less considerate/more antisocial than the other type of people. And they would be just as wrong.

Its not about money.

Its not about social class

It’s about being brought up to be considerate of others, and successfully integrating that upbringing into your adult attitudes and behaviours. And since there is good and bad parenting all across all strata of society, there are considerate people and selfish arses across all strata of society as well.

By the way - if people have enough money to afford big houses, Porsches, or whatever else - why shouldn’t they have them? That does not, in and of itself, make them a knob. Boasting about it and using them in ways that inconvenience others makes them a knob. Knobs who lack the money for big house and Porsches can still be knobs with small houses and beaten up Cavaliers.

I have no issue with people have Porsches, nice EVs etc. Good for them. It's the guy who moves his Porsche off his drive every morning to get his electric car out to drive to work and has to Rev it before he reverses, then leaves it idling while he prats about with the other car.

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WoodlandMummy · 21/08/2022 18:25

Yes, because most council housing estates are known for their peace and quiet. I’m not saying everyone who lives on a C estate behaves without consideration for their neighbours but they are hardly places of calm and tranquility.

All human beings can be inconsiderate. It has v little to do with how much money one might have. Some people are arseholes. Some people are ok 🤷🏻‍♀️

LemonSwan · 21/08/2022 18:54

Missing the point I know but I always though ‘classless’ was not someone with low class but someone with undeterminable class - someone who’s class you can’t distinguish.

Ie. A Scot, Welsh or the Irish in England - classless as no one can read their class.
Or a northerner down south as no one in the south can understand the class structure in a different regional accent.

I always considered ‘classlessness’ a positive trait as the classless people I knew were very versatile in work and social as they could move in any group effortlessly.

Besides the point I know

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 18:55

WoodlandMummy · 21/08/2022 18:25

Yes, because most council housing estates are known for their peace and quiet. I’m not saying everyone who lives on a C estate behaves without consideration for their neighbours but they are hardly places of calm and tranquility.

All human beings can be inconsiderate. It has v little to do with how much money one might have. Some people are arseholes. Some people are ok 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do understand your point but on the other hand I'm wondering why my experience has been the way I've outlined in my first post. The majority of the nuisance has always tended to come from the bigger, more expensive houses - admittedly it's the acceptable middle class type of nuisance, but it's entirely through ignorance / choice of those people. And they mostly seem to be the big houses!

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 18:57

LemonSwan · 21/08/2022 18:54

Missing the point I know but I always though ‘classless’ was not someone with low class but someone with undeterminable class - someone who’s class you can’t distinguish.

Ie. A Scot, Welsh or the Irish in England - classless as no one can read their class.
Or a northerner down south as no one in the south can understand the class structure in a different regional accent.

I always considered ‘classlessness’ a positive trait as the classless people I knew were very versatile in work and social as they could move in any group effortlessly.

Besides the point I know

It's not totally beside the point as it's probably led to a misunderstanding. I don't mean it in the sense you've mentioned above. I'd always assumed it was the opposite of classy, poised, decent, etc. Like having no class. I see I'm probably wrong to use it like that thorough

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StoneofDestiny · 21/08/2022 19:35

Rude and entitled people exist in all parts of society

I live in a big house and have never given any neighbour cause to complain. When I lived in a small house, I didn't either.
Obnoxious and inconsiderate people will be the same whatever size house you put them in.

Sparklypant · 21/08/2022 21:42

I also live in a large house, as do my neighbours, it’s not an estate. So there isn’t many of us, but none of us are a nuisance, we are not vulgar or Ill mannered as we live in “one of those pricey houses” to quote the op. And we were no a nuisance when we lived In a small house when we were younger, and everything in between and our neighbours then were fine too.

sorry op, you’re not going to get anyone to agree with your rhetoric here, except on one point. You’re right, money doesn’t buy you class. And being skint doesn’t bestow it on you either, clearly. You eithrr have it or you don’t and it’s not about income.

DixonD · 21/08/2022 21:55

goshy · 21/08/2022 11:20

I don't subscribe to the view that X behaviour is classy or classless.

However ime people who have money, particularly if they have grown up with it often think they are superior to others & are very entitled. Not all of course.

It’s usually the opposite. The ones with “new money” are the absolute worst. I know a few very rich landowners (friends with the Queen sort; aristocracy) and they are absolutely lovely and down to earth.

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